From holly.lisle at sff.net  Sat Jun 14 15:53:35 2003
From: holly.lisle at sff.net (holly.lisle@sff.net)
Date: Sat Jun 14 14:53:45 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] List going back on every page
Message-ID: <3EEB36EF.716.81CDDB@localhost>

I'm redesigning the site for better navigation and to make a lot of 
things that have sort of fallen off the radar more accessible.  One of 
those things is this mailing list.

It will be in the Contact sub-menu on every page, which may bring a 
few new folks in here.

Ron -- is there a way to update the information on the join page to 
reflect the current site and the list itself?  I'd like to bring back the 
GEnie restriction of 'no politics' clearly listed on the page, and I'd like 
to correct the link to Readers' Community, since there isn't one now.  
It's just the general community, and welcomes both readers and 
writers, and the link is http://hollylisle.com/community/

(It's actually longer than that, but that is the link that ISN'T software-
and-platform dependent.)



From jarrell at vt.edu  Sun Jun 15 01:39:29 2003
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Sun Jun 15 00:39:34 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] List going back on every page
In-Reply-To: <3EEB36EF.716.81CDDB@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030615003906.02461c20@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 02:53 PM 6/14/03 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm redesigning the site for better navigation and to make a lot of
>things that have sort of fallen off the radar more accessible.  One of
>those things is this mailing list.
>
>It will be in the Contact sub-menu on every page, which may bring a
>few new folks in here.
>
>Ron -- is there a way to update the information on the join page to
>reflect the current site and the list itself?  I'd like to bring back the
>GEnie restriction of 'no politics' clearly listed on the page, and I'd like
>to correct the link to Readers' Community, since there isn't one now.
>It's just the general community, and welcomes both readers and
>writers, and the link is http://hollylisle.com/community/
>

How's that?  (see the page).


From holly.lisle at sff.net  Mon Jun 16 06:55:34 2003
From: holly.lisle at sff.net (Holly Lisle)
Date: Mon Jun 16 05:55:34 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] List going back on every page
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030615003906.02461c20@lennier.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <AC389FB9-9FE0-11D7-A7DD-000393A54C96@sff.net>

Thank you, Ron.  That's terrific.
<g>  Love the house rules.

One section of the site redesign is up in beta, if you want to take a 
look.  http://hollylisle.com/author/
Did that section as a beta because it's the only one on the site that 
only has five pages.

I'm still beta-ing, so if any of you have any comments on how to make 
the redesign (but especially the right-hand menu and other site 
navigation) better and more clear for people, please let me know.

Holly


On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 12:39  AM, Ron Jarrell wrote:

> At 02:53 PM 6/14/03 -0400, you wrote:
>> I'm redesigning the site for better navigation and to make a lot of
>> things that have sort of fallen off the radar more accessible.  One of
>> those things is this mailing list.
>>
>> It will be in the Contact sub-menu on every page, which may bring a
>> few new folks in here.
>>
>> Ron -- is there a way to update the information on the join page to
>> reflect the current site and the list itself?  I'd like to bring back 
>> the
>> GEnie restriction of 'no politics' clearly listed on the page, and 
>> I'd like
>> to correct the link to Readers' Community, since there isn't one now.
>> It's just the general community, and welcomes both readers and
>> writers, and the link is http://hollylisle.com/community/
>>
>
> How's that?  (see the page).
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Holly-L mailing list
> Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu
> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l
>


From holly.lisle at sff.net  Fri Jun 27 17:05:40 2003
From: holly.lisle at sff.net (holly.lisle@sff.net)
Date: Fri Jun 27 23:13:29 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] Confessions of Wildass Dreams
Message-ID: <3EFC6B54.30088.2B9C7D@localhost>

Confessions of Wildass Dreams

I'd guess that we all have them, and mostly we don't talk about 
them, because they're too big, and too silly, and too impossible. If 
we confess them, we open ourselves to naysayers and ridicule and 
reality, and all of those are hard on dreams.

But you only hit the target you can see, and if you don't put the 
dream out there, you can't see it. It's still some nebulous little cloud-
mouse skittering around in the back of your brain, and it will never 
solidify into something you can see and touch and hold.

I've decided I WANT my wildass dream, dammit. I want it a lot. May 
take me a lifetime to get it, and maybe after it's floated around in 
sunlight for a few years it will fade and lose some of its mouse-
cloudy luster, but I'll chance that.

It's not having a book, or even a bunch of books, on the NYT 
bestseller list, though having that would sure help. It's bigger than 
that.

I have always wanted to have the money to buy a camp somewhere 
-- anywhere from Tennessee or Kentucky all the way up to the wilds 
of Maine. Eastern USA, four seasons, no water rights issues, apple 
blossoms and hyacinths and dogwoods and trilliums and autumn 
hardwoods radiant in their seasons. Lodge, single/double rooms. 
Maybe a house separate from the lodge. Cabins. Maybe a barn and 
some stables for horses, but that would just be a side thing; it isn't 
part of the Dream.

And my family and I would live in either the house or some part of 
the lodge year-round, and most of the year I'd rent cabins to writers 
for expenses only (or, if necessary, expenses plus a modest sum to 
help keep the places in roofs and pipes), so that these writers could 
work on books away from distractions and in the company of other 
writers. And a couple of times a year, I'd open up the lodge and any 
extra cabins for one helluva big writing getaway, for beginners to 
work with pros, for everyone to spend a month (for the big getaway) 
or a week (for the small getaway). Classes, the pressure of others 
working hard to give each participant a push, everyone reading 
everyone else's stuff and pressure-cooking it along with their own, 
everyone pulling each other up the mountain a few more feet. We 
would all learn from each other, ask questions, find solutions, carve 
a few more dreams out of the ether and set them on the ground and 
breath life into them.

I'm forty-two and the money isn't raining on my head yet, and 
realization dawns that it might never; if I want this dream, it has to 
get out of my head and into the light so that I can paint a bullseye on 
it and start shooting.

So.

That's what I close my eyes and think about when the house is quiet 
and I can daydream. What about you?
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From boatright at cjnetworks.com  Sat Jun 28 00:07:53 2003
From: boatright at cjnetworks.com (Rick Boatright)
Date: Sat Jun 28 00:02:34 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] Confessions of Wildass Dreams
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Used bookstore in a college town.  Victorian house, days at the 
bookstore and occasional subbing or guest lecturing at the college.  
It's my "If I win the lottery" fantasy.

Rick Boatright


holly.lisle@sff.net wrote:

> That's what I close my eyes and think about when the house is quiet 
> and I can daydream. What about you?



From holly.lisle at sff.net  Sat Jun 28 07:55:30 2003
From: holly.lisle at sff.net (Holly Lisle)
Date: Sat Jun 28 06:55:24 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] Dreams
In-Reply-To: <3EFD1499.20109@cjnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <08A78ADE-A957-11D7-BD6E-000393A54C96@sff.net>

That sounds wonderful.  Especially the Victorian house.  But also the 
bookstore.
Holly

> Used bookstore in a college town.  Victorian house, days at the 
> bookstore and occasional subbing or guest lecturing at the college.  
> It's my "If I win the lottery" fantasy.
>
> Rick Boatright
>
>
> holly.lisle@sff.net wrote:
>
>> That's what I close my eyes and think about when the house is quiet 
>> and I can daydream. What about you?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu
> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l
>
>
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From BGum at comcast.net  Sat Jun 28 11:01:28 2003
From: BGum at comcast.net (D. K. Brinegar)
Date: Sat Jun 28 10:01:46 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] Confessions of Wildass Dreams
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Swaying in the hammock on the deck of my house, next to the ocean.
Listening to the sounds of the surf, the gulls, and my grandchildren playing
in the sand below along the beach.  Thinking of the music that I love, the
music that is so dear to me, not just the filks, but the music ? PERIOD.
Waiting for the rest of the band, and deciding on what music to play at the
coffeehouse/pub (not bar)/restaurant that I own, or at least own a
partnership in, on the island, and anticipating friends who will be visiting
soon ... writers, musicians, and just plain people who love music.  The sun
is going down in the west, but watching the night cross in from the east as
I think about these things, seeing the ships off shore, and the stars
beginning to come out ...  It must be in Florida or somewhere like that,
because I keep seeing palm trees ... Or maybe the coast of North Carolina.
Who knows?

Keith a.k.a. White Plectrum
Musician and filker on hiatus,
Searching for my lost muse



On 6/27/03 4:05 PM, "holly.lisle@sff.net" <holly.lisle@sff.net> wrote:

> Confessions of Wildass Dreams
> 
> So.
> That's what I close my eyes and think about when the house is quiet and I can
> daydream. What about you?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From joyful at neo.rr.com  Sat Jun 28 11:20:37 2003
From: joyful at neo.rr.com (Joy in Akron)
Date: Sat Jun 28 10:20:46 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] Dreams
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Message-ID: <GMEALAMIPGCMGIAGLPEMKEMDCKAA.joyful@neo.rr.com>

Single floor house, open floor plan with private spaces for hubby, me and
the dogs.  Private enough that none of the above are bothered or bother the
neighbors but not lost in the boonies.  Shady lawns, so I can sit out and
read without frying my brain, but not so shady I need to worry about bird
droppings on the next page.

Dog shows and puppies with enough cash to indulge.  New books from my
favorite authors at regular intervals.

And time.

Joy


-----Original Message-----
From: holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu
[mailto:holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Holly Lisle
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:56 AM
To: Holly Lisle Mailing List
Subject: [Holly-L] Dreams


That sounds wonderful.  Especially the Victorian house.  But also the
bookstore.
Holly

> Used bookstore in a college town.  Victorian house, days at the
> bookstore and occasional subbing or guest lecturing at the college.
> It's my "If I win the lottery" fantasy.
>
> Rick Boatright
>
>
> holly.lisle@sff.net wrote:
>
>> That's what I close my eyes and think about when the house is quiet
>> and I can daydream. What about you?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Holly-L mailing list
> Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu
> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l
>
>
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From boatright at cjnetworks.com  Sat Jun 28 12:39:13 2003
From: boatright at cjnetworks.com (Rick Boatright)
Date: Sat Jun 28 12:33:49 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] Dreams
In-Reply-To: <08A78ADE-A957-11D7-BD6E-000393A54C96@sff.net>
References: <08A78ADE-A957-11D7-BD6E-000393A54C96@sff.net>
Message-ID: <3EFDC4B1.4000000@cjnetworks.com>

Ever guest lectured for Jim Gunn at the Univ of Kansas?  Lawrence Kansas 
may be, IMHO, the perfect college town.  I am prepared to take other 
suggestions when I win the lottery.  :-)

Rick

Holly Lisle wrote:

> That sounds wonderful.  Especially the Victorian house.  But also the 
> bookstore.
> Holly
>
>> Used bookstore in a college town.  Victorian house, days at the 
>> bookstore and occasional subbing or guest lecturing at the college.  
>> It's my "If I win the lottery" fantasy.
>>
>> Rick Boatright
>>
>>
>> holly.lisle@sff.net wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I close my eyes and think about when the house is quiet 
>>> and I can daydream. What about you?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Holly-L mailing list
>> Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu
>> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l
>>
>>
> Holly Lisle
> http://hollylisle.com
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From kathy at napolitano.com  Sun Jun 29 16:37:35 2003
From: kathy at napolitano.com (Kathy Napolitano)
Date: Sun Jun 29 18:37:43 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] Dreams
In-Reply-To: <3EFDC4B1.4000000@cjnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBIFEEILFNODBCGAMEOEPLCOAA.kathy@napolitano.com>

How about one from a non writer??

I want a big home with room to breathe and room for guests and next door I
want a chocolate shop with all the bells and whistles to both make hand
crafted candies and sell them. Oregon is wonderful, I love it here so that's
where I'd stay.

I currently making chocolates in my certified home kitchen and selling at
farmers markets (not a reliable sales venue) too hot to make chocolates
today so sitting here wishing for A/C too!

Kathy
Arioso Chocolates LLC



-----Original Message-----
From: holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu
[mailto:holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Rick Boatright
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 9:39 AM
To: Holly Lisle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Holly-L] Dreams


Ever guest lectured for Jim Gunn at the Univ of Kansas?  Lawrence Kansas
may be, IMHO, the perfect college town.  I am prepared to take other
suggestions when I win the lottery.  :-)

Rick

Holly Lisle wrote:

> That sounds wonderful.  Especially the Victorian house.  But also the
> bookstore.
> Holly
>
>> Used bookstore in a college town.  Victorian house, days at the
>> bookstore and occasional subbing or guest lecturing at the college.
>> It's my "If I win the lottery" fantasy.
>>
>> Rick Boatright
>>
>>
>> holly.lisle@sff.net wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I close my eyes and think about when the house is quiet
>>> and I can daydream. What about you?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Holly-L mailing list
>> Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu
>> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l
>>
>>
> Holly Lisle
> http://hollylisle.com
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From kv_shaw at direcway.com  Sun Jun 29 18:09:55 2003
From: kv_shaw at direcway.com (Karen Blackshaw)
Date: Sun Jun 29 20:56:04 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] Dreams
References: <NFBBIFEEILFNODBCGAMEOEPLCOAA.kathy@napolitano.com>
Message-ID: <000501c33e9b$f44680a0$b819050a@2P4DN21>

I have my dream a house on a hill with a view to kill for someone to love
and no one else to hassle us.
cant' ask for more.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathy Napolitano" <kathy@napolitano.com>
To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" <holly-l@solaris.cc.vt.edu>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Holly-L] Dreams


> How about one from a non writer??
>
> I want a big home with room to breathe and room for guests and next door I
> want a chocolate shop with all the bells and whistles to both make hand
> crafted candies and sell them. Oregon is wonderful, I love it here so
that's
> where I'd stay.
>
> I currently making chocolates in my certified home kitchen and selling at
> farmers markets (not a reliable sales venue) too hot to make chocolates
> today so sitting here wishing for A/C too!
>
> Kathy
> Arioso Chocolates LLC
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu
> [mailto:holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Rick Boatright
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 9:39 AM
> To: Holly Lisle Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Holly-L] Dreams
>
>
> Ever guest lectured for Jim Gunn at the Univ of Kansas?  Lawrence Kansas
> may be, IMHO, the perfect college town.  I am prepared to take other
> suggestions when I win the lottery.  :-)
>
> Rick
>
> Holly Lisle wrote:
>
> > That sounds wonderful.  Especially the Victorian house.  But also the
> > bookstore.
> > Holly
> >
> >> Used bookstore in a college town.  Victorian house, days at the
> >> bookstore and occasional subbing or guest lecturing at the college.
> >> It's my "If I win the lottery" fantasy.
> >>
> >> Rick Boatright
> >>
> >>
> >> holly.lisle@sff.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> That's what I close my eyes and think about when the house is quiet
> >>> and I can daydream. What about you?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Holly-L mailing list
> >> Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu
> >> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l
> >>
> >>
> > Holly Lisle
> > http://hollylisle.com
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From gholtman at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 30 21:29:26 2003
From: gholtman at earthlink.net (gretchen)
Date: Mon Jun 30 20:27:50 2003
Subject: [Holly-L] Dreams
References: <NFBBIFEEILFNODBCGAMEOEPLCOAA.kathy@napolitano.com>
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there's 2

1.  Bed & Breakfast/restaurant that Kevin and I and the as yet non-existent
babies live in or near.  Huge herb & veggie garden plus one of just flowers to
enjoy....maybe I'll throw weddings...but something comfortable and enjoyable..

2.  My bookstore.  The one that's in a big old house where people can chill in
couches and talk about the books they love or just sit peacefully reading.  Used
and new, don't really care.  No limits, just as much pulp as "classics" maybe a
sandwich shop attached.

wouldn't that be grand?

gretchen

Karen Blackshaw wrote:

> I have my dream a house on a hill with a view to kill for someone to love
> and no one else to hassle us.
> cant' ask for more.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathy Napolitano" <kathy@napolitano.com>
> To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" <holly-l@solaris.cc.vt.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [Holly-L] Dreams
>
> > How about one from a non writer??
> >
> > I want a big home with room to breathe and room for guests and next door I
> > want a chocolate shop with all the bells and whistles to both make hand
> > crafted candies and sell them. Oregon is wonderful, I love it here so
> that's
> > where I'd stay.
> >
> > I currently making chocolates in my certified home kitchen and selling at
> > farmers markets (not a reliable sales venue) too hot to make chocolates
> > today so sitting here wishing for A/C too!
> >
> > Kathy
> > Arioso Chocolates LLC
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu
> > [mailto:holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Rick Boatright
> > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 9:39 AM
> > To: Holly Lisle Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Holly-L] Dreams
> >
> >
> > Ever guest lectured for Jim Gunn at the Univ of Kansas?  Lawrence Kansas
> > may be, IMHO, the perfect college town.  I am prepared to take other
> > suggestions when I win the lottery.  :-)
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Holly Lisle wrote:
> >
> > > That sounds wonderful.  Especially the Victorian house.  But also the
> > > bookstore.
> > > Holly
> > >
> > >> Used bookstore in a college town.  Victorian house, days at the
> > >> bookstore and occasional subbing or guest lecturing at the college.
> > >> It's my "If I win the lottery" fantasy.
> > >>
> > >> Rick Boatright
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> holly.lisle@sff.net wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> That's what I close my eyes and think about when the house is quiet
> > >>> and I can daydream. What about you?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Holly-L mailing list
> > >> Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu
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> > >>
> > >>
> > > Holly Lisle
> > > http://hollylisle.com
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