From rkbush at att.net Fri May 16 09:13:53 2003 From: rkbush at att.net (Bob & Keely Bush) Date: Fri May 16 08:14:03 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Software Question Message-ID: <3EC4D601.9010005@att.net> Man has this list been quiet! OK, software question. Roxio Creator 6 or another music burner program? Seems like Roxio sells the most, but PC says that it might not be the best for burning, but best all around package. I've already got a photo editor, and don't do DVDs at this point. I need something for my laptop. Any susgestions? boB From gbeall at cinci.rr.com Fri May 16 09:30:58 2003 From: gbeall at cinci.rr.com (Guy Beall) Date: Fri May 16 08:30:23 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Software Question In-Reply-To: <3EC4D601.9010005@att.net> Message-ID: <000c01c31ba7$012b7720$6401a8c0@xppro> Either Nero or Alcohol 120% I have great luck using both of them. Yeah been dead around here for months, just like the job market. Guy -----Original Message----- From: holly-l-bounces+gbeall=cinci.rr.com@solaris.cc.vt.edu [mailto:holly-l-bounces+gbeall=cinci.rr.com@solaris.cc.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Bob & Keely Bush Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:14 AM To: Holly Lisle Mailing List Subject: [Holly-L] Software Question Man has this list been quiet! OK, software question. Roxio Creator 6 or another music burner program? Seems like Roxio sells the most, but PC says that it might not be the best for burning, but best all around package. I've already got a photo editor, and don't do DVDs at this point. I need something for my laptop. Any susgestions? boB _______________________________________________ Holly-L mailing list Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From rkbush at att.net Fri May 16 09:57:48 2003 From: rkbush at att.net (Bob & Keely Bush) Date: Fri May 16 08:58:01 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Software Question References: <000c01c31ba7$012b7720$6401a8c0@xppro> Message-ID: <3EC4E04C.9050800@att.net> But Guy, our economy is doing so well according to certain beings in DC (and that's why my agency is dealing with a backlog of more than 9000 unemployment hearings!) Yeah, I know I called them beings, but these days I have a problem calling some of these beings in charge "human". Thanks! boB Guy Beall wrote: >Either Nero or Alcohol 120% I have great luck using both of them. > >Yeah been dead around here for months, just like the job market. > >Guy > >-----Original Message----- >From: holly-l-bounces+gbeall=cinci.rr.com@solaris.cc.vt.edu >[mailto:holly-l-bounces+gbeall=cinci.rr.com@solaris.cc.vt.edu] On Behalf Of >Bob & Keely Bush >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:14 AM >To: Holly Lisle Mailing List >Subject: [Holly-L] Software Question > >Man has this list been quiet! > >OK, software question. Roxio Creator 6 or another music burner program? > Seems like Roxio sells the most, but PC says that it might not be the >best for burning, but best all around package. I've already got a photo >editor, and don't do DVDs at this point. I need something for my laptop. > >Any susgestions? > >boB > > >_______________________________________________ >Holly-L mailing list >Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu >http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > >_______________________________________________ >Holly-L mailing list >Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu >http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > > From holly at hollylisle.com Fri May 16 18:10:43 2003 From: holly at hollylisle.com (holly@hollylisle.com) Date: Fri May 16 17:10:53 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Software Question In-Reply-To: <3EC4D601.9010005@att.net> Message-ID: <3EC51B93.358.58DBFC@localhost> iMac, OS X, and iTunes. Utter best things I have ever used. Holly > Man has this list been quiet! > > OK, software question. Roxio Creator 6 or another music burner program? > Seems like Roxio sells the most, but PC says that it might not be the > best for burning, but best all around package. I've already got a photo > editor, and don't do DVDs at this point. I need something for my laptop. > > Any susgestions? > > boB > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > From BGum at comcast.net Fri May 16 18:30:42 2003 From: BGum at comcast.net (D. K. Brinegar) Date: Fri May 16 17:31:29 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Software Question In-Reply-To: <3EC51B93.358.58DBFC@localhost> Message-ID: Amen, Holly. Now if I could just figure out how to get past the superstructure and get inside the Forge on my current level of Star Trek Voyager Elite Force ... Keith On 5/16/03 5:10 PM, "holly@hollylisle.com" wrote: > iMac, OS X, and iTunes. Utter best things I have ever used. > > Holly > > >> Man has this list been quiet! >> >> OK, software question. Roxio Creator 6 or another music burner program? >> Seems like Roxio sells the most, but PC says that it might not be the >> best for burning, but best all around package. I've already got a photo >> editor, and don't do DVDs at this point. I need something for my laptop. >> >> Any susgestions? >> >> boB >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Holly-L mailing list >> Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu >> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From kathy at napolitano.com Fri May 16 19:30:14 2003 From: kathy at napolitano.com (Kathy Napolitano) Date: Fri May 16 21:30:44 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Software Question In-Reply-To: <3EC4E04C.9050800@att.net> Message-ID: boB, I got my lay off notice Dec 2001. Still unemployed, no more unemployement Insurance. Finally gave up, I am starting a Chocolates business. Arioso Chocolates in Beavrton Oregon, maybe not the best time to start a new business but better a struggling new business than no business at all. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu [mailto:holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Bob & Keely Bush Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 5:58 AM To: Holly Lisle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Holly-L] Software Question But Guy, our economy is doing so well according to certain beings in DC (and that's why my agency is dealing with a backlog of more than 9000 unemployment hearings!) Yeah, I know I called them beings, but these days I have a problem calling some of these beings in charge "human". Thanks! boB Guy Beall wrote: >Either Nero or Alcohol 120% I have great luck using both of them. > >Yeah been dead around here for months, just like the job market. > >Guy > >-----Original Message----- >From: holly-l-bounces+gbeall=cinci.rr.com@solaris.cc.vt.edu >[mailto:holly-l-bounces+gbeall=cinci.rr.com@solaris.cc.vt.edu] On Behalf Of >Bob & Keely Bush >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:14 AM >To: Holly Lisle Mailing List >Subject: [Holly-L] Software Question > >Man has this list been quiet! > >OK, software question. Roxio Creator 6 or another music burner program? > Seems like Roxio sells the most, but PC says that it might not be the >best for burning, but best all around package. I've already got a photo >editor, and don't do DVDs at this point. I need something for my laptop. > >Any susgestions? > >boB > > >_______________________________________________ >Holly-L mailing list >Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu >http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > >_______________________________________________ >Holly-L mailing list >Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu >http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > > _______________________________________________ Holly-L mailing list Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From RKBUSH at att.net Sat May 17 03:24:54 2003 From: RKBUSH at att.net (RKBUSH@att.net) Date: Fri May 16 22:24:59 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Software Question Message-ID: <200305170224.BDX88267@vivi.cc.vt.edu> Kathy, Hey, what have you got to loose? Besides, people will always go for chocolate, no matter what. Its a comfort food. Best of luck! (Notice that I refrained from saying anything like "Sounds like a real SWEET deal". I'm trying to be good!) boB > boB, > > I got my lay off notice Dec 2001. Still unemployed, no more unemployement > Insurance. Finally gave up, I am starting a Chocolates business. Arioso > Chocolates in Beavrton Oregon, maybe not the best time to start a new > business but better a struggling new business than no business at all. > > Kathy > > -----Original Message----- > From: holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu > [mailto:holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Bob & Keely Bush > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 5:58 AM > To: Holly Lisle Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Holly-L] Software Question > > > But Guy, our economy is doing so well according to certain beings in DC > (and that's why my agency is dealing with a backlog of more than 9000 > unemployment hearings!) Yeah, I know I called them beings, but these > days I have a problem calling some of these beings in charge "human". > > Thanks! > > boB > > Guy Beall wrote: > > >Either Nero or Alcohol 120% I have great luck using both of them. > > > >Yeah been dead around here for months, just like the job market. > > > >Guy > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: holly-l-bounces+gbeall=cinci.rr.com@solaris.cc.vt.edu > >[mailto:holly-l-bounces+gbeall=cinci.rr.com@solaris.cc.vt.edu] On Behalf Of > >Bob & Keely Bush > >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:14 AM > >To: Holly Lisle Mailing List > >Subject: [Holly-L] Software Question > > > >Man has this list been quiet! > > > >OK, software question. Roxio Creator 6 or another music burner program? > > Seems like Roxio sells the most, but PC says that it might not be the > >best for burning, but best all around package. I've already got a photo > >editor, and don't do DVDs at this point. I need something for my laptop. > > > >Any susgestions? > > > >boB > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Holly-L mailing list > >Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > >http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Holly-L mailing list > >Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > >http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From kathy at napolitano.com Sat May 17 00:07:28 2003 From: kathy at napolitano.com (Kathy Napolitano) Date: Sat May 17 02:08:02 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] FW: holly list Message-ID: Good question I forgot how I got on this list anyone want to give me (us) a clue. Go ahead Bob, feel free, you have my permission. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Julie [mailto:puddles@inreach.com] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:24 PM To: Mom Subject: holly list mom how do i get the list on my new email address julie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/pipermail/holly-l/attachments/20030516/377b776f/attachment.htm From jarrell at vt.edu Sat May 17 05:44:16 2003 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Sat May 17 04:44:43 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] FW: holly list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030517044355.0220bab0@lennier.cc.vt.edu> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l At 11:07 PM 5/16/03 -0700, you wrote: >Good question I forgot how I got on this list anyone want to give me (us) >a clue. > >Go ahead Bob, feel free, you have my permission. > >Kathy >-----Original Message----- >From: Julie [mailto:puddles@inreach.com] >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:24 PM >To: Mom >Subject: holly list > >mom how do i get the list on my new email address > > >julie >_______________________________________________ >Holly-L mailing list >Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu >http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From holly.lisle at sff.net Sat May 17 11:11:24 2003 From: holly.lisle at sff.net (Holly Lisle) Date: Sat May 17 10:11:21 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Political Commentary In-Reply-To: <3EC4E04C.9050800@att.net> Message-ID: <713510E4-8871-11D7-91DA-000393A54C96@sff.net> On Friday, May 16, 2003, at 08:57 AM, Bob & Keely Bush wrote: > But Guy, our economy is doing so well according to certain beings in > DC (and that's why my agency is dealing with a backlog of more than > 9000 unemployment hearings!) Yeah, I know I called them beings, but > these days I have a problem calling some of these beings in charge > "human". Please keep the political commentary off the list. It's one of the unwelcome topics. Holly Holly Lisle ================ persistence triumphs http://hollylisle.com From holly.lisle at sff.net Mon May 19 07:41:29 2003 From: holly.lisle at sff.net (Holly Lisle) Date: Mon May 19 06:41:32 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] The Future of the Mailing List In-Reply-To: <713510E4-8871-11D7-91DA-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: <72F16A28-89E6-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> For those folks still here, I'd like to see the list go active again. I'd like to link it back up to the site and invite new members and enjoy the sort of interesting, intelligent conversation we had in the past. If list members are willing to remember that this is a politics-free zone, I'll do that. Up to you -- would y'all like to hang out again? Holly Lisle ================ persistence triumphs http://hollylisle.com From proedge at eznet.net Mon May 19 11:54:49 2003 From: proedge at eznet.net (Robbi Hess) Date: Mon May 19 06:54:56 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] The Future of the Mailing List In-Reply-To: <72F16A28-89E6-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> References: <72F16A28-89E6-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: <20030519105449.27085.qmail@eznet.net> I would, Robbi Holly Lisle writes: > For those folks still here, I'd like to see the list go active again. > I'd like to link it back up to the site and invite new members and > enjoy the sort of interesting, intelligent conversation we had in the > past. If list members are willing to remember that this is a > politics-free zone, I'll do that. > > Up to you -- would y'all like to hang out again? > > Holly Lisle > ================ > persistence triumphs > http://hollylisle.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From joyful at neo.rr.com Mon May 19 08:24:04 2003 From: joyful at neo.rr.com (Joy in Akron) Date: Mon May 19 07:24:11 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] The Future of the Mailing List In-Reply-To: <72F16A28-89E6-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: Please. -----Original Message----- From: holly-l-bounces+joyful=neo.rr.com@solaris.cc.vt.edu [mailto:holly-l-bounces+joyful=neo.rr.com@solaris.cc.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Holly Lisle Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:41 AM To: Holly Lisle Mailing List Subject: [Holly-L] The Future of the Mailing List For those folks still here, I'd like to see the list go active again. I'd like to link it back up to the site and invite new members and enjoy the sort of interesting, intelligent conversation we had in the past. If list members are willing to remember that this is a politics-free zone, I'll do that. Up to you -- would y'all like to hang out again? Holly Lisle ================ persistence triumphs http://hollylisle.com _______________________________________________ Holly-L mailing list Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From BGum at comcast.net Mon May 19 09:09:55 2003 From: BGum at comcast.net (D. K. Brinegar) Date: Mon May 19 08:10:01 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] The Future of the Mailing List In-Reply-To: <72F16A28-89E6-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: I'm game. Keith On 5/19/03 6:41 AM, "Holly Lisle" wrote: > For those folks still here, I'd like to see the list go active again. > I'd like to link it back up to the site and invite new members and > enjoy the sort of interesting, intelligent conversation we had in the > past. If list members are willing to remember that this is a > politics-free zone, I'll do that. > > Up to you -- would y'all like to hang out again? > > Holly Lisle > ================ > persistence triumphs > http://hollylisle.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From dhoran at hsonline.net Mon May 19 09:27:16 2003 From: dhoran at hsonline.net (Annemarie Paul) Date: Mon May 19 09:27:51 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] The Future of the Mailing List References: <72F16A28-89E6-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: <016d01c31e0a$68194a60$419a4d40@net> I enjoyed the mailing list when it was active. It went inactive while I was without a computer after our house burned. I thought it had been shut down till this week. Annemarie Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Lisle" To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:41 AM Subject: [Holly-L] The Future of the Mailing List > For those folks still here, I'd like to see the list go active again. > I'd like to link it back up to the site and invite new members and > enjoy the sort of interesting, intelligent conversation we had in the > past. If list members are willing to remember that this is a > politics-free zone, I'll do that. > > Up to you -- would y'all like to hang out again? > > Holly Lisle > ================ > persistence triumphs > http://hollylisle.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > From jmg382 at psu.edu Mon May 19 11:20:52 2003 From: jmg382 at psu.edu (Jennifer Gebhart) Date: Mon May 19 10:19:29 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] The Future of the Mailing List In-Reply-To: <016d01c31e0a$68194a60$419a4d40@net> References: <72F16A28-89E6-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030519102013.00ab2e20@email.psu.edu> I'd like to see it go active again. I enjoyed it and it was always good for a laugh. As I student teach in the fall, I could use the amusement. :) ~Gwyn From chk at pobox.com Mon May 19 12:27:59 2003 From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch) Date: Mon May 19 11:28:36 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: The Future of the Mailing List Message-ID: <10840.1053358079@persephone.cfrq.net> In message <72F16A28-89E6-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net>, Holly Lisle writes: > > > Up to you -- would y'all like to hang out again? Of course; we're still here, aren't we? Despite owning a weblog, I diskike web-based discussion forums. I'd love to see the list active again! -- Harald Koch http://blog.cfrq.net/chk/ It takes a child to raze a village. - Michael Fry From holly at hollylisle.com Tue May 20 07:29:01 2003 From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle) Date: Tue May 20 06:28:55 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] What I'm doing In-Reply-To: <72F16A28-89E6-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: I'm currently writing a 250,000-word novel, Talyn, which has sold to Tor and which will be a stand-alone one shot. It has to be done and turned in by December 15th. I have a couple of snippets from it on my weblog (http://hollylisle.com/greylog/); put up a new one today. I have a mainstream novel out with several major publishers right now; two have expressed tandem interest (hardcover/paperback) and I have just sent in a synopsis of proposed revisions that'll I'll make if they decide to buy it. On the home front, my daughter grew up, got a boyfriend and an apartment, and is out on her own; my older son (who has homeschooled) is getting ready to graduate. My younger one, who is five, is learning how to read and write and spell -- he learned three new words yesterday. That's short, but I have words due this morning and not a lot of time to finish them. Holly Lisle ================ persistence triumphs http://hollylisle.com From jarrell at vt.edu Tue May 20 12:39:33 2003 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Tue May 20 11:49:25 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] The Future of the Mailing List In-Reply-To: <72F16A28-89E6-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> References: <713510E4-8871-11D7-91DA-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030520113811.065d7d20@lennier.cc.vt.edu> At 06:41 AM 5/19/03 -0400, you wrote: >For those folks still here, I'd like to see the list go active again. >I'd like to link it back up to the site and invite new members and enjoy the sort of interesting, intelligent conversation we had in the past. Intelligent? Us? You want intelligence? *rolls eyes and mutters* "Oh lovely, now we have to be intelligent for her nibs. You'd think the fawning appreciation, and occasional coat of blue would be enough." :-) From mortecanine at citynet.net Tue May 20 15:26:20 2003 From: mortecanine at citynet.net (Benjamin K. Badgley) Date: Tue May 20 14:25:18 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 References: <200305201600.h4KG0NlF010735@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <3ECA734C.2AC38895@citynet.net> > I'm currently writing a 250,000-word novel, Talyn, which has sold to > Tor and which will be a stand-alone one shot. It has to be done and > turned in by December 15th. I have a couple of snippets from it on my > weblog (http://hollylisle.com/greylog/); put up a new one today. 250,000 words Yikes! Thought I was progressing at 5,000. Boggle have to scratch that now and calculate 250,000 into pages per day. Oh well back to the tree with Odin. From holly.lisle at sff.net Tue May 20 18:36:23 2003 From: holly.lisle at sff.net (Holly Lisle) Date: Tue May 20 17:36:16 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <3ECA734C.2AC38895@citynet.net> Message-ID: <1A98EE2E-8B0B-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> > 250,000 words > > Yikes! Thought I was progressing at 5,000. > Boggle have to scratch that now and calculate 250,000 > into pages per day. Oh well back to the tree with Odin. No boggling necessary. I do this stuff as prep work before starting the novel. Below is a quote from my weblog -- (http://hollylisle.com/greylog/archives/00000219.html) ====================== I've been slicing Talyn into manageable bites -- a 250,000 word novel requires considerable slicing, but I've managed to get the thing down to size. Here's the breakdown. 209 words per page 250,000 words due 8592 words done 241408 words remaining 1200 pages total 10 pages per scene, 4 scenes per chapter 120 scenes 30 chapters 30 days set aside to revise completed manuscript 195 days (starting tomorrow) to write book ========= Pages per day ========= Seven days a week (195 days) 6 ppd Six days a week (156 days) 8 ppd Five days a week (130 days) 9.5 ppd ========= Words per day ========= Seven days a week (195 days) 1254 wpd Six days a week (156 days) 1672 wpd Five days a week (130 days) 1986 wpd ACTUAL WRITING GOAL -- 10 ppd, 2090 wpd NOTE: Some padding has been worked into these numbers to give me a bit of invisible breathing room. I figured all counts as if none of the book were yet written. From holly.lisle at sff.net Tue May 20 18:37:21 2003 From: holly.lisle at sff.net (Holly Lisle) Date: Tue May 20 17:37:15 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] The Future of the Mailing List In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030520113811.065d7d20@lennier.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <3D1674FC-8B0B-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Ron Jarrell wrote: > At 06:41 AM 5/19/03 -0400, you wrote: >> For those folks still here, I'd like to see the list go active again. >> I'd like to link it back up to the site and invite new members and >> enjoy the sort of interesting, intelligent conversation we had in the >> past. > > Intelligent? Us? You want intelligence? *rolls eyes and mutters* > "Oh lovely, now we have to be intelligent for her nibs. You'd think > the fawning appreciation, and occasional coat of blue would be > enough." :-) Do not dissemble so, sirrah. I know thee too well, and this false modesty does thee disservice. Holly Lisle ================ persistence triumphs http://hollylisle.com From tom3w at earthlink.net Wed May 21 21:04:53 2003 From: tom3w at earthlink.net (tom3w) Date: Wed May 21 20:05:19 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 References: <1A98EE2E-8B0B-11D7-88B4-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: <3ECC1425.20504@earthlink.net> More good words coming our way - and time again for the list? Holly, you are amazing ! I still think English needs more ways to say `thank you` - I''m running out of phrases, but never appreciation for good authors. ... Wreck of Heaven is about to be read .... savoring the anticipation a bit. - tom3w +++++ Holly Lisle wrote: >> 250,000 words >> >> Yikes! Thought I was progressing at 5,000. >> Boggle have to scratch that now and calculate 250,000 >> into pages per day. Oh well back to the tree with Odin. > > > No boggling necessary. I do this stuff as prep work before starting > the novel. Below is a quote from my weblog -- > (http://hollylisle.com/greylog/archives/00000219.html) > > ====================== > > I've been slicing Talyn into manageable bites -- a 250,000 word novel > requires considerable slicing, but I've managed to get the thing down > to size. Here's the breakdown. > > 209 words per page > > 250,000 words due > 8592 words done > 241408 words remaining > > 1200 pages total > 10 pages per scene, 4 scenes per chapter > > 120 scenes > 30 chapters > 30 days set aside to revise completed manuscript > 195 days (starting tomorrow) to write book > > ========= > Pages per day > ========= > > Seven days a week (195 days) 6 ppd > Six days a week (156 days) 8 ppd > Five days a week (130 days) 9.5 ppd > > ========= > Words per day > ========= > > Seven days a week (195 days) 1254 wpd > Six days a week (156 days) 1672 wpd > Five days a week (130 days) 1986 wpd > > ACTUAL WRITING GOAL -- 10 ppd, 2090 wpd > > NOTE: Some padding has been worked into these numbers to give me a bit > of invisible breathing room. I figured all counts as if none of the > book were yet written. > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > From holly.lisle at sff.net Thu May 22 06:22:18 2003 From: holly.lisle at sff.net (Holly Lisle) Date: Thu May 22 05:22:08 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <3ECC1425.20504@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Interested to hear what you think of Wreck of Heaven. I was pretty happy with that one. Holly On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 08:04 PM, tom3w wrote: > More good words coming our way - and time again for the list? Holly, > you are amazing ! > I still think English needs more ways to say `thank you` - I''m > running out of phrases, but never appreciation for good authors. > > ... Wreck of Heaven is about to be read .... savoring the > anticipation a bit. > > - tom3w > > +++++ > Holly Lisle wrote: > >>> 250,000 words >>> >>> Yikes! Thought I was progressing at 5,000. >>> Boggle have to scratch that now and calculate 250,000 >>> into pages per day. Oh well back to the tree with Odin. >> >> >> No boggling necessary. I do this stuff as prep work before starting >> the novel. Below is a quote from my weblog -- >> (http://hollylisle.com/greylog/archives/00000219.html) >> >> ====================== >> >> I've been slicing Talyn into manageable bites -- a 250,000 word novel >> requires considerable slicing, but I've managed to get the thing down >> to size. Here's the breakdown. >> >> 209 words per page >> >> 250,000 words due >> 8592 words done >> 241408 words remaining >> >> 1200 pages total >> 10 pages per scene, 4 scenes per chapter >> >> 120 scenes >> 30 chapters >> 30 days set aside to revise completed manuscript >> 195 days (starting tomorrow) to write book >> >> ========= >> Pages per day >> ========= >> >> Seven days a week (195 days) 6 ppd >> Six days a week (156 days) 8 ppd >> Five days a week (130 days) 9.5 ppd >> >> ========= >> Words per day >> ========= >> >> Seven days a week (195 days) 1254 wpd >> Six days a week (156 days) 1672 wpd >> Five days a week (130 days) 1986 wpd >> >> ACTUAL WRITING GOAL -- 10 ppd, 2090 wpd >> >> NOTE: Some padding has been worked into these numbers to give me a >> bit of invisible breathing room. I figured all counts as if none of >> the book were yet written. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Holly-L mailing list >> Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu >> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > From chk at pobox.com Thu May 22 12:55:15 2003 From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch) Date: Thu May 22 11:55:34 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 Message-ID: <28810.1053618915@persephone.cfrq.net> > Interested to hear what you think of Wreck of Heaven. I was pretty > happy with that one. I didn't realize it was out until I tripped over it at my local SF&F store last week. It's on the top of the pile; I have to finish Cerulean Sins first :-) -- Harald Koch http://blog.cfrq.net/chk/ Save the whales! Feed the homeless! Free the mallocs! From lady_minx at yahoo.com Thu May 22 11:06:39 2003 From: lady_minx at yahoo.com (Krista) Date: Thu May 22 13:06:47 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030522170639.5743.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> I picked it up and read it in one sitting. Loved it! :) The amount of destruction that takes place from magical usage is surprising, I don't think an author has ever used that concept quite that way. I'm glad, though, they point seems to be coming out that constructive and positive magic has no ill effects, I enjoy reading about someone doing magic from time to time without having to worry if they just caused a plague ;) Krista Landon --- Holly Lisle wrote: > Interested to hear what you think of Wreck of > Heaven. I was pretty > happy with that one. > > Holly > > > On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 08:04 PM, tom3w > wrote: > > > More good words coming our way - and time again > for the list? Holly, > > you are amazing ! > > I still think English needs more ways to say > `thank you` - I''m > > running out of phrases, but never appreciation for > good authors. > > > > ... Wreck of Heaven is about to be read .... > savoring the > > anticipation a bit. > > > > - tom3w > > > > +++++ > > Holly Lisle wrote: > > > >>> 250,000 words > >>> > >>> Yikes! Thought I was progressing at 5,000. > >>> Boggle have to scratch that now and calculate > 250,000 > >>> into pages per day. Oh well back to the tree > with Odin. > >> > >> > >> No boggling necessary. I do this stuff as prep > work before starting > >> the novel. Below is a quote from my weblog -- > >> > (http://hollylisle.com/greylog/archives/00000219.html) > >> > >> ====================== > >> > >> I've been slicing Talyn into manageable bites -- > a 250,000 word novel > >> requires considerable slicing, but I've managed > to get the thing down > >> to size. Here's the breakdown. > >> > >> 209 words per page > >> > >> 250,000 words due > >> 8592 words done > >> 241408 words remaining > >> > >> 1200 pages total > >> 10 pages per scene, 4 scenes per chapter > >> > >> 120 scenes > >> 30 chapters > >> 30 days set aside to revise completed manuscript > >> 195 days (starting tomorrow) to write book > >> > >> ========= > >> Pages per day > >> ========= > >> > >> Seven days a week (195 days) 6 ppd > >> Six days a week (156 days) 8 ppd > >> Five days a week (130 days) 9.5 ppd > >> > >> ========= > >> Words per day > >> ========= > >> > >> Seven days a week (195 days) 1254 wpd > >> Six days a week (156 days) 1672 wpd > >> Five days a week (130 days) 1986 wpd > >> > >> ACTUAL WRITING GOAL -- 10 ppd, 2090 wpd > >> > >> NOTE: Some padding has been worked into these > numbers to give me a > >> bit of invisible breathing room. I figured all > counts as if none of > >> the book were yet written. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Holly-L mailing list > >> Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > >> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Holly-L mailing list > > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From lady_minx at yahoo.com Thu May 22 11:18:51 2003 From: lady_minx at yahoo.com (Krista) Date: Thu May 22 13:18:56 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <28810.1053618915@persephone.cfrq.net> Message-ID: <20030522171851.75259.qmail@web13401.mail.yahoo.com> I loved the Anita Blake series for the first few novels. Now... well, it's nothing like it was then :( Krista --- Harald Koch wrote: > > Interested to hear what you think of Wreck of > Heaven. I was pretty > > happy with that one. > > I didn't realize it was out until I tripped over it > at my local SF&F > store last week. It's on the top of the pile; I have > to finish Cerulean > Sins first :-) > > -- > Harald Koch > http://blog.cfrq.net/chk/ > > Save the whales! Feed the homeless! Free the > mallocs! > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From chk at pobox.com Thu May 22 16:08:16 2003 From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch) Date: Thu May 22 15:08:43 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] [OT] Cerulean Sins Message-ID: <32589.1053630496@persephone.cfrq.net> > I loved the Anita Blake series for the first few > novels. Now... well, it's nothing like it was then :( This one isn't as bad as the last two (or the two Gentry Lee abominations), but it still doesn't measure up to the early books. (is Mark still around here? :-) -- Harald Koch http://blog.cfrq.net/chk/ () ascii ribbon campaign /\ against HTML mail From BGum at comcast.net Thu May 22 16:48:39 2003 From: BGum at comcast.net (D. K. Brinegar) Date: Thu May 22 15:49:51 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/22/03 5:22 AM, "Holly Lisle" wrote: > Interested to hear what you think of Wreck of Heaven. I was pretty > happy with that one. > > Holly Loved it loved it loved it!!!!! Can't wait for the next one!!!! Keith From holly.lisle at sff.net Fri May 23 07:33:41 2003 From: holly.lisle at sff.net (Holly Lisle) Date: Fri May 23 06:33:41 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <20030522170639.5743.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05C9EE51-8D0A-11D7-B88C-000393A54C96@sff.net> > I picked it up and read it in one sitting. Loved it! > :) The amount of destruction that takes place from > magical usage is surprising, I don't think an author > has ever used that concept quite that way. I'm glad, > though, they point seems to be coming out that > constructive and positive magic has no ill effects, I > enjoy reading about someone doing magic from time to > time without having to worry if they just caused a > plague ;) > > Krista Landon > It actually has more of a Taoist edge to it than that. What's good? What's bad? You know the story of the farmer who's horse ran away. Or maybe you don't, so I'll tell it. The neighbor said, "That's bad," and the farmer shrugged. "Good ... bad ..." The horse came back, bringing a wild but beautiful horse with it. The neighbor said, "That's wonderful?" but the farmer said, "Good ... bad ..." The farmer's son decided to train the horse, and in the process broke his arm, so that he could not help his father with the farming. "That's awful," said the neighbor, but the farmer shrugged. "Good ... bad ..." The the army came through on its way to battle, doing forced conscriptions of young men in the village, but because the son's arm was broken, they did not take him. Good ... bad ... There are things that are actively evil. But even within the evil, some kernel of good may be found, and some good result may be brought forth. And that which is good for one is not good for all. Holly Lisle ================ persistence triumphs http://hollylisle.com From mortecanine at citynet.net Fri May 23 13:29:42 2003 From: mortecanine at citynet.net (Benjamin K. Badgley) Date: Fri May 23 12:28:32 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 7 References: <200305231601.h4NG0t3S003079@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <3ECE4C76.7FA27B8@citynet.net> "more of a Taoist edge to it than that. What's good? What's bad?" uh huh just as suspected. She's pulled a run across the southern border of Galis, Mars while wearing Venusian clogs. Drat, there goes the neighborhood. Oh well it wasn't a very big one at that, besides the only other excitement was the fellow who swallowed one of those zen touting shreebugs. That was good for laughing away the ion storm. Guess even on Mars they have Eroniquistas which is the Plutonian name for Gollyweezes. Seriously though haha and you thought I would be. :P Grumbling doesn't get nine pages a day, I'm going back to the shotgun three pages a day. Hm, wonder if romances sell? Actually I'm a bit displaced, "no really?" It's true, I need to go brandish the olive oil. Not sure why but it's something to do. Write on. intentional non correct spelling errors, leave me alone I'm branded light filament. From lady_minx at yahoo.com Fri May 23 10:29:04 2003 From: lady_minx at yahoo.com (Krista) Date: Fri May 23 12:29:08 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <05C9EE51-8D0A-11D7-B88C-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: <20030523162904.57934.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you for that explanation! I do see that emerging, and the differing philosophy of the main characters and the Sentinels on the issue is going to cause all sort of interesting future plot developments, I'm sure :) Krista --- Holly Lisle wrote: > > > I picked it up and read it in one sitting. Loved > it! > > :) The amount of destruction that takes place > from > > magical usage is surprising, I don't think an > author > > has ever used that concept quite that way. I'm > glad, > > though, they point seems to be coming out that > > constructive and positive magic has no ill > effects, I > > enjoy reading about someone doing magic from time > to > > time without having to worry if they just caused a > > plague ;) > > > > Krista Landon > > > > It actually has more of a Taoist edge to it than > that. What's good? > What's bad? > > You know the story of the farmer who's horse ran > away. Or maybe you > don't, so I'll tell it. The neighbor said, "That's > bad," and the > farmer shrugged. "Good ... bad ..." The horse came > back, bringing a > wild but beautiful horse with it. The neighbor > said, "That's > wonderful?" but the farmer said, "Good ... bad ..." > The farmer's son > decided to train the horse, and in the process broke > his arm, so that > he could not help his father with the farming. > "That's awful," said > the neighbor, but the farmer shrugged. "Good ... > bad ..." The the > army came through on its way to battle, doing forced > conscriptions of > young men in the village, but because the son's arm > was broken, they > did not take him. > > Good ... bad ... > > There are things that are actively evil. But even > within the evil, > some kernel of good may be found, and some good > result may be brought > forth. And that which is good for one is not good > for all. > > Holly Lisle > ================ > persistence triumphs > http://hollylisle.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From holly.lisle at sff.net Sat May 24 07:59:35 2003 From: holly.lisle at sff.net (Holly Lisle) Date: Sat May 24 06:59:30 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] And now the bad news In-Reply-To: <20030523162904.57934.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:29 PM, Krista wrote: > Thank you for that explanation! I do see that > emerging, and the differing philosophy of the main > characters and the Sentinels on the issue is going to > cause all sort of interesting future plot > developments, I'm sure :) > > Krista Probably not going to be any future plot developments beyond book three, actually, which is now turned in and done and paid for and was revised to give a solid close to the series, in case Eos didn't pick up a fourth World Gates book as its option book. And signs point to Eos NOT picking up the series after book three. Sales were unimpressive. Holly From lady_minx at yahoo.com Tue May 27 11:08:10 2003 From: lady_minx at yahoo.com (Krista) Date: Tue May 27 13:08:14 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] And now the bad news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030527170810.48355.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> NO!!!! (sigh) I buy a lot of books but I'm selective about my fantasy series. When I find an author I enjoy I stick with her / him, and when I find a series that I enjoy, well, I watch for the next book in the series like a hawk and grab it as soon as it comes out. I've really enjoyed your world that Wreck of Heaven is written in, and was looking forward to several more books. Is there any chance they'll change their minds? Krista --- Holly Lisle wrote: > > On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:29 PM, Krista wrote: > > > Thank you for that explanation! I do see that > > emerging, and the differing philosophy of the main > > characters and the Sentinels on the issue is going > to > > cause all sort of interesting future plot > > developments, I'm sure :) > > > > Krista > > Probably not going to be any future plot > developments beyond book > three, actually, which is now turned in and done and > paid for and was > revised to give a solid close to the series, in case > Eos didn't pick up > a fourth World Gates book as its option book. And > signs point to Eos > NOT picking up the series after book three. Sales > were unimpressive. > > Holly > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From holly at hollylisle.com Wed May 28 07:27:43 2003 From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle) Date: Wed May 28 08:25:42 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Packed Precipitation in the Netherworld In-Reply-To: <20030527170810.48355.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04A45920-90F7-11D7-ACA8-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com> > NO!!!! > (sigh) > I buy a lot of books but I'm selective about my > fantasy series. When I find an author I enjoy I stick > with her / him, and when I find a series that I enjoy, > well, I watch for the next book in the series like a > hawk and grab it as soon as it comes out. I've really > enjoyed your world that Wreck of Heaven is written in, > and was looking forward to several more books. Is > there any chance they'll change their minds? > > Krista There's always a chance. However, the chance goes like this ... I write something that hits BIG. New York Times/USA Today list big. It hits big enough to pull readers to my backlist. My backlist suddenly becomes HOT. My publishers who are still holding rights to backlist books decide to take advantage of this sudden heat by reprinting my backlist in mass quantities, and by requesting a frontlist title in the same series, for which they're willing to pay the kind of money someone with a NYT bestseller makes. Snowball. Hell. Miiiiiiiiight make it, if Hell had a cold front and the snowball had significant mass and only had to hang out for a short time ... but I'm not holding my breath. Holly From BGum at comcast.net Wed May 28 15:02:58 2003 From: BGum at comcast.net (D. K. Brinegar) Date: Wed May 28 14:05:38 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Packed Precipitation in the Netherworld In-Reply-To: <04A45920-90F7-11D7-ACA8-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com> Message-ID: You do yourself an injustice, Holly. One of these days, the rest of the world will realize just what we all have ... One of the finest writers in the world is right under their noses, and they have been ignoring you for all these years. Your ship is yet to come in, believe me, and when it does, your backlist, your frontlist, and books yet undreamt of in your mind will all be known. We all have faith in you, Holly. Keith On 5/28/03 6:27 AM, "Holly Lisle" wrote: > There's always a chance. However, the chance goes like this ... I > write something that hits BIG. New York Times/USA Today list big. It > hits big enough to pull readers to my backlist. My backlist suddenly > becomes HOT. My publishers who are still holding rights to backlist > books decide to take advantage of this sudden heat by reprinting my > backlist in mass quantities, and by requesting a frontlist title in the > same series, for which they're willing to pay the kind of money someone > with a NYT bestseller makes. > > Snowball. > > Hell. > > Miiiiiiiiight make it, if Hell had a cold front and the snowball had > significant mass and only had to hang out for a short time ... but I'm > not holding my breath. > > Holly From lady_minx at yahoo.com Wed May 28 13:28:59 2003 From: lady_minx at yahoo.com (Krista) Date: Wed May 28 15:29:03 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Packed Precipitation in the Netherworld In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030528192859.44547.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> We need to set up a net 'buzz'. For every good book we read and review on Amazon, for instance, we can say something like, "This was good... along with Holly Lisle's books, this is one of my top picks," or something like that. :) We probably shouldn't compare them negatively to Holly's but let's throw in her name wherever possible :) Krista --- "D. K. Brinegar" wrote: > You do yourself an injustice, Holly. One of these > days, the rest of the > world will realize just what we all have ... One of > the finest writers in > the world is right under their noses, and they have > been ignoring you for > all these years. Your ship is yet to come in, > believe me, and when it does, > your backlist, your frontlist, and books yet > undreamt of in your mind will > all be known. We all have faith in you, Holly. > > Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From holly.lisle at sff.net Wed May 28 17:03:02 2003 From: holly.lisle at sff.net (Holly Lisle) Date: Wed May 28 16:02:53 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Packed Precipitation in the Netherworld In-Reply-To: <20030528192859.44547.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <631D23A4-9147-11D7-BD5C-000393A54C96@sff.net> Please, please don't do that. There are writers out there who do that for their own books, and any time someone mentions another author's work in a review of a book, I wonder if the reviewer was actually that second-mentioned author. Recommend books to friends, and hope the friends will like them enough to recommend them to their friends. Anything beyond that starts trying to use other writers, and I really don't want to do that. Holly On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 03:28 PM, Krista wrote: > We need to set up a net 'buzz'. For every good book > we read and review on Amazon, for instance, we can say > something like, "This was good... along with Holly > Lisle's books, this is one of my top picks," or > something like that. :) We probably shouldn't compare > them negatively to Holly's but let's throw in her name > wherever possible :) > > Krista > > > --- "D. K. Brinegar" wrote: >> You do yourself an injustice, Holly. One of these >> days, the rest of the >> world will realize just what we all have ... One of >> the finest writers in >> the world is right under their noses, and they have >> been ignoring you for >> all these years. Your ship is yet to come in, >> believe me, and when it does, >> your backlist, your frontlist, and books yet >> undreamt of in your mind will >> all be known. We all have faith in you, Holly. >> >> Keith > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > From fulgaar at ivwnet.com Wed May 28 15:15:22 2003 From: fulgaar at ivwnet.com (fulgaar) Date: Wed May 28 16:18:26 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Packed Precipitation in the Netherworld Message-ID: <005b01c32556$41ed6d00$0100a8c0@Sweetcheeks> Holly, These people KNOW what they are talking about ... seriously. Put my name on the list of "UP WITH HOLLY" fans, OK? Clyde ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krista" To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Holly-L] Packed Precipitation in the Netherworld We need to set up a net 'buzz'. For every good book we read and review on Amazon, for instance, we can say something like, "This was good... along with Holly Lisle's books, this is one of my top picks," or something like that. :) We probably shouldn't compare them negatively to Holly's but let's throw in her name wherever possible :) Krista --- "D. K. Brinegar" wrote: > You do yourself an injustice, Holly. One of these > days, the rest of the > world will realize just what we all have ... One of > the finest writers in > the world is right under their noses, and they have > been ignoring you for > all these years. Your ship is yet to come in, > believe me, and when it does, > your backlist, your frontlist, and books yet > undreamt of in your mind will > all be known. We all have faith in you, Holly. > > Keith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Holly-L mailing list Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From fulgaar at ivwnet.com Wed May 28 15:18:05 2003 From: fulgaar at ivwnet.com (fulgaar) Date: Wed May 28 16:18:29 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Packed Precipitation in the Netherworld References: <631D23A4-9147-11D7-BD5C-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: <005c01c32556$43ca4350$0100a8c0@Sweetcheeks> OK, OK ... I can see you angel showing through ... THIS is the reason you have so many adoring fans. It's in YOU as a person .. Not just your books. Clyde ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Lisle" To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Holly-L] Packed Precipitation in the Netherworld Please, please don't do that. There are writers out there who do that for their own books, and any time someone mentions another author's work in a review of a book, I wonder if the reviewer was actually that second-mentioned author. Recommend books to friends, and hope the friends will like them enough to recommend them to their friends. Anything beyond that starts trying to use other writers, and I really don't want to do that. Holly On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 03:28 PM, Krista wrote: > We need to set up a net 'buzz'. For every good book > we read and review on Amazon, for instance, we can say > something like, "This was good... along with Holly > Lisle's books, this is one of my top picks," or > something like that. :) We probably shouldn't compare > them negatively to Holly's but let's throw in her name > wherever possible :) > > Krista > > > --- "D. K. Brinegar" wrote: >> You do yourself an injustice, Holly. One of these >> days, the rest of the >> world will realize just what we all have ... One of >> the finest writers in >> the world is right under their noses, and they have >> been ignoring you for >> all these years. Your ship is yet to come in, >> believe me, and when it does, >> your backlist, your frontlist, and books yet >> undreamt of in your mind will >> all be known. We all have faith in you, Holly. >> >> Keith > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > _______________________________________________ Holly-L mailing list Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From lady_minx at yahoo.com Wed May 28 16:23:09 2003 From: lady_minx at yahoo.com (Krista) Date: Wed May 28 18:23:15 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Packed Precipitation in the Netherworld In-Reply-To: <631D23A4-9147-11D7-BD5C-000393A54C96@sff.net> Message-ID: <20030528222309.93747.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com> I see what you mean, I can see where some authors might do that and others might wonder... I'll just promote you on my personal sites to my friends. Krista --- Holly Lisle wrote: > Please, please don't do that. There are writers out > there who do that > for their own books, and any time someone mentions > another author's > work in a review of a book, I wonder if the reviewer > was actually that > second-mentioned author. > > Recommend books to friends, and hope the friends > will like them enough > to recommend them to their friends. Anything beyond > that starts trying > to use other writers, and I really don't want to do > that. > > Holly __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com From chk at pobox.com Wed May 28 23:20:42 2003 From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch) Date: Wed May 28 22:21:23 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Packed Precipitation in the Netherworld Message-ID: <8029.1054174842@persephone.cfrq.net> > There's always a chance. You and every other mid list author... I try to make sure that your books are on the shelves at my local SF&F bookstore, and recommend you to friends, as always. At least you still have competition south of the border. There is one large bookstore company in Canada now; they still use the four old names (Coles, smithbooks, Chapters, and Indigo), but they're one company now. They've done a reasonably effective job of eliminating the independents, which means that what they say, goes. So when Big Company decides how many books to order, the local distributors tack a small surplus onto that order and bring the books up from the US publishers. When they're gone, they're gone. It takes months for a second order, because the distributors collect bookstore orders until they have enough to make a cross-border shipment worthwhile. Also, the independents get the leftover scraps; if Big Company decides at the last minute they want more of an order, they get it. All this means that new books disappear off the shelves fairly quickly, and don't return for months (if at all). According to minitrue, I'm supposed to believe that the current situation is better than having four competing bookstore chains, along with the independents! *sigh. -- Harald Koch http://blog.cfrq.net/chk/ Save the whales! Feed the homeless! Free the mallocs! From jarrell at vt.edu Thu May 29 02:26:52 2003 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Thu May 29 01:27:11 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Packed Precipitation in the Netherworld In-Reply-To: <04A45920-90F7-11D7-ACA8-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com> References: <20030527170810.48355.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030529012123.00aa2e50@lennier.cc.vt.edu> At 06:27 AM 5/28/03 -0400, you wrote: >There's always a chance. However, the chance goes like this ... I write >something that hits BIG. New York Times/USA Today list big. It hits big >enough to pull readers to my backlist. My backlist suddenly becomes >HOT. My publishers who are still holding rights to backlist books decide >to take advantage of this sudden heat by reprinting my backlist in mass >quantities, and by requesting a frontlist title in the same series, for >which they're willing to pay the kind of money someone with a NYT >bestseller makes. Shame you're not with Baen anymore. (Yea, yea, I remember the stories; I mean strictly from a logistical point of view). You could throw part of the series into the library, and help build demand for the backlist. I'm amazed the other publishers aren't trying it. I mean, either Jim's an amazing altruist (snicker) or he's making money hand over fist by giving books away and selling e-copies at $5. They're cheap enough that I've happily forked over money for either a back-up copy, or an advance copy of something I either really wanted, or wasn't sure I wanted to pay HC price for. The other publishers either insist on locking the book to a particular reader client, or even a particular machine, or charging full cover price for a pile of bits that they then expect to slap restrictions on my usage of. I've hooked several people on series by handing them a copy of one of my baen e-books (with baen's full blessing) and saying "Here. Read a few chapters", only to see them go off and buy everything that person's ever written. From bklynwriter929 at hotmail.com Thu May 29 19:25:44 2003 From: bklynwriter929 at hotmail.com (deb osorio) Date: Thu May 29 18:56:33 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 References: Message-ID: Holly, I recently purchased Wreck of Heaven, with the intention of reading it s-l-o-w-l-y to savor every word. Well hell, that didn't work. Needless to say, I couldn't put it down and finished it within two days. deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Lisle" To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4 > Interested to hear what you think of Wreck of Heaven. I was pretty > happy with that one. > > Holly > > > On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 08:04 PM, tom3w wrote: > > > More good words coming our way - and time again for the list? Holly, > > you are amazing ! > > I still think English needs more ways to say `thank you` - I''m > > running out of phrases, but never appreciation for good authors. > > > > ... Wreck of Heaven is about to be read .... savoring the > > anticipation a bit. > > > > - tom3w > > > > +++++ > > Holly Lisle wrote: > > > >>> 250,000 words > >>> > >>> Yikes! Thought I was progressing at 5,000. > >>> Boggle have to scratch that now and calculate 250,000 > >>> into pages per day. Oh well back to the tree with Odin. > >> > >> > >> No boggling necessary. I do this stuff as prep work before starting > >> the novel. Below is a quote from my weblog -- > >> (http://hollylisle.com/greylog/archives/00000219.html) > >> > >> ====================== > >> > >> I've been slicing Talyn into manageable bites -- a 250,000 word novel > >> requires considerable slicing, but I've managed to get the thing down > >> to size. Here's the breakdown. > >> > >> 209 words per page > >> > >> 250,000 words due > >> 8592 words done > >> 241408 words remaining > >> > >> 1200 pages total > >> 10 pages per scene, 4 scenes per chapter > >> > >> 120 scenes > >> 30 chapters > >> 30 days set aside to revise completed manuscript > >> 195 days (starting tomorrow) to write book > >> > >> ========= > >> Pages per day > >> ========= > >> > >> Seven days a week (195 days) 6 ppd > >> Six days a week (156 days) 8 ppd > >> Five days a week (130 days) 9.5 ppd > >> > >> ========= > >> Words per day > >> ========= > >> > >> Seven days a week (195 days) 1254 wpd > >> Six days a week (156 days) 1672 wpd > >> Five days a week (130 days) 1986 wpd > >> > >> ACTUAL WRITING GOAL -- 10 ppd, 2090 wpd > >> > >> NOTE: Some padding has been worked into these numbers to give me a > >> bit of invisible breathing room. I figured all counts as if none of > >> the book were yet written. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Holly-L mailing list > >> Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > >> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Holly-L mailing list > > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003