From gome at compucare.co.il Tue Oct 21 19:58:30 2003 From: gome at compucare.co.il (gome) Date: Tue Oct 21 10:00:25 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] (no subject) Message-ID: <00c301c3982f$3c6961d0$230110ac@server> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/pipermail/holly-l/attachments/20031021/d4ec8c18/attachment.htm From kathy at napolitano.com Tue Oct 21 10:59:53 2003 From: kathy at napolitano.com (Kathy Napolitano) Date: Tue Oct 21 11:00:20 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00c301c3982f$3c6961d0$230110ac@server> Message-ID: ??? Sigh you all are communicating in code again huh?? haven't hear from anyone in quite a while. How's it going? -----Original Message----- From: holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu [mailto:holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu]On Behalf Of gome Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:59 PM To: holly-l@solaris.cc.vt.edu Subject: [Holly-L] (no subject) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/pipermail/holly-l/attachments/20031021/3c212f1c/attachment.htm From jarrell at vt.edu Tue Oct 21 12:08:20 2003 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Tue Oct 21 12:15:17 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <00c301c3982f$3c6961d0$230110ac@server> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031021120750.01c797f0@lennier.cc.vt.edu> At 07:59 AM 10/21/2003 -0700, Kathy Napolitano wrote: >??? Sigh you all are communicating in code again huh?? haven't hear >from anyone in quite a while. How's it going? The chair is against the door. The chair is against the door. The sheep is yellow. Do not eat the daisies. From holly at hollylisle.com Tue Oct 21 13:29:05 2003 From: holly at hollylisle.com (holly@hollylisle.com) Date: Tue Oct 21 13:29:12 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031021120750.01c797f0@lennier.cc.vt.edu> References: Message-ID: <3F9534A1.16829.20202E@localhost> The door is hungry. The door is hungry. FEED THE DAISIES TO THE DOOR. On 21 Oct 2003 at 12:08, Ron Jarrell wrote: > At 07:59 AM 10/21/2003 -0700, Kathy Napolitano wrote: > >??? Sigh you all are communicating in code again huh?? haven't hear > >from anyone in quite a while. How's it going? > > The chair is against the door. The chair is against the door. The > sheep is yellow. Do not eat the daisies. Actually, I have less than 300 pages to go on the 250,000-word current work in progress, and I'm doing okay. How about y'all? Holly From fulgaar at ziagold.net Tue Oct 21 14:06:22 2003 From: fulgaar at ziagold.net (fulgaar) Date: Tue Oct 21 14:06:27 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] (no subject) References: <3F9534A1.16829.20202E@localhost> Message-ID: <001701c397fe$095f8c50$6500a8c0@Sweetcheeks> Aarrrggghhh!! The door is yellow! Ugly ugly yellow --- Burn the daisies! Clyde ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: RE: [Holly-L] (no subject) The door is hungry. The door is hungry. FEED THE DAISIES TO THE DOOR. On 21 Oct 2003 at 12:08, Ron Jarrell wrote: > At 07:59 AM 10/21/2003 -0700, Kathy Napolitano wrote: > >??? Sigh you all are communicating in code again huh?? haven't hear > >from anyone in quite a while. How's it going? > > The chair is against the door. The chair is against the door. The > sheep is yellow. Do not eat the daisies. Actually, I have less than 300 pages to go on the 250,000-word current work in progress, and I'm doing okay. How about y'all? Holly _______________________________________________ Holly-L mailing list Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From kv_shaw at direcway.com Tue Oct 21 15:27:38 2003 From: kv_shaw at direcway.com (Karen Blackshaw) Date: Tue Oct 21 15:25:41 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] (no subject) References: <3F9534A1.16829.20202E@localhost> <001701c397fe$095f8c50$6500a8c0@Sweetcheeks> Message-ID: <000c01c39809$686fa260$b819050a@2P4DN21> I feed the door, burned the daisies, and painted the chair yellow. now what? ----- Original Message ----- From: "fulgaar" To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Holly-L] (no subject) > Aarrrggghhh!! The door is yellow! Ugly ugly yellow --- Burn the daisies! > Clyde > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:29 AM > Subject: RE: [Holly-L] (no subject) > > > The door is hungry. The door is hungry. FEED THE DAISIES TO > THE DOOR. > > On 21 Oct 2003 at 12:08, Ron Jarrell wrote: > > > At 07:59 AM 10/21/2003 -0700, Kathy Napolitano wrote: > > >??? Sigh you all are communicating in code again huh?? haven't hear > > >from anyone in quite a while. How's it going? > > > > The chair is against the door. The chair is against the door. The > > sheep is yellow. Do not eat the daisies. > > Actually, I have less than 300 pages to go on the 250,000-word > current work in progress, and I'm doing okay. How about y'all? > > Holly > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From zette at sff.net Tue Oct 21 18:13:47 2003 From: zette at sff.net (Zette) Date: Tue Oct 21 18:14:08 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3F9534A1.16829.20202E@localhost> Message-ID: <00f001c39820$9e102720$6401a8c0@yourze8cxvr8tt> > Actually, I have less than 300 pages to go on the 250,000-word > current work in progress, and I'm doing okay. How about y'all? > > Holly Hi there, Holly. This is your crazed Vision editor looking for a couple paragraph intro for this issue... Hey, and with so 'little' left to do, you could join NaNo in November, right? (grin) I'm working on three novel outlines and trying to decide which one I'll do for National Novel Writing Month, which is coming perilously close. (Looks at list of things to get done before then.) I'm doomed. Lazette Gifford, http://lazette.net Site Administrator, Forward Motion for Writers http://fmwriters.com Managing Editor, Holly Lisle's Vision: A Resource for Writers, http://lazette.net/vision Webmaster, SFF.NET's E-STAND http://www.sff.net/estand SF and Fantasy Acquisitions Editor, Double Dragon Ebooks http://double-dragon-ebooks.com/ From terra at cha-no-onna.org Wed Oct 22 01:57:50 2003 From: terra at cha-no-onna.org (Terra) Date: Wed Oct 22 01:58:05 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <000c01c39809$686fa260$b819050a@2P4DN21> References: <3F9534A1.16829.20202E@localhost> <001701c397fe$095f8c50$6500a8c0@Sweetcheeks> <000c01c39809$686fa260$b819050a@2P4DN21> Message-ID: <1066802270.3f961c5ebdc74@mail.tentacle.net> The door is trying to deal with midterms, a visit from the state department of education at work tomorrow and the day after, another visit from the state in two weeks, and no less than three persistent story ideas that all want to be written *now.* The door was naughty and did world building last Saturday instead of term paper writing. The door may not pass English as a result. The door should go to bed now before it's hinges rust shut. Terra > I feed the door, burned the daisies, and painted the chair yellow. now > what? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fulgaar" > To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Holly-L] (no subject) > > > > Aarrrggghhh!! The door is yellow! Ugly ugly yellow --- Burn the daisies! > > Clyde > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:29 AM > > Subject: RE: [Holly-L] (no subject) > > > > > > The door is hungry. The door is hungry. FEED THE DAISIES TO > > THE DOOR. > > > > On 21 Oct 2003 at 12:08, Ron Jarrell wrote: > > > > > At 07:59 AM 10/21/2003 -0700, Kathy Napolitano wrote: > > > >??? Sigh you all are communicating in code again huh?? haven't hear > > > >from anyone in quite a while. How's it going? > > > > > > The chair is against the door. The chair is against the door. The > > > sheep is yellow. Do not eat the daisies. > > > > Actually, I have less than 300 pages to go on the 250,000-word > > current work in progress, and I'm doing okay. How about y'all? > > > > Holly > > _______________________________________________ > > Holly-L mailing list > > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Holly-L mailing list > > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > -- " ... there really was just room for one nun." -- Jill From kathy at napolitano.com Wed Oct 22 03:47:14 2003 From: kathy at napolitano.com (Kathy Napolitano) Date: Wed Oct 22 03:47:21 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1066802270.3f961c5ebdc74@mail.tentacle.net> Message-ID: -OMG what did I start????? LOL! Actually I've been sooooo busy making chocolate that the only thing I've been writing is checks. Sigh Oh and My door is brown...so is the cupboard, floor and walls... chocolate brown that is. I hate sticking to the floor. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu [mailto:holly-l-bounces@solaris.cc.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Terra Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:58 PM To: Holly Lisle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Holly-L] (no subject) The door is trying to deal with midterms, a visit from the state department of education at work tomorrow and the day after, another visit from the state in two weeks, and no less than three persistent story ideas that all want to be written *now.* The door was naughty and did world building last Saturday instead of term paper writing. The door may not pass English as a result. The door should go to bed now before it's hinges rust shut. Terra > I feed the door, burned the daisies, and painted the chair yellow. now > what? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fulgaar" > To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Holly-L] (no subject) > > > > Aarrrggghhh!! The door is yellow! Ugly ugly yellow --- Burn the daisies! > > Clyde > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:29 AM > > Subject: RE: [Holly-L] (no subject) > > > > > > The door is hungry. The door is hungry. FEED THE DAISIES TO > > THE DOOR. > > > > On 21 Oct 2003 at 12:08, Ron Jarrell wrote: > > > > > At 07:59 AM 10/21/2003 -0700, Kathy Napolitano wrote: > > > >??? Sigh you all are communicating in code again huh?? haven't hear > > > >from anyone in quite a while. How's it going? > > > > > > The chair is against the door. The chair is against the door. The > > > sheep is yellow. Do not eat the daisies. > > > > Actually, I have less than 300 pages to go on the 250,000-word > > current work in progress, and I'm doing okay. How about y'all? > > > > Holly > > _______________________________________________ > > Holly-L mailing list > > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Holly-L mailing list > > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > -- " ... there really was just room for one nun." -- Jill _______________________________________________ Holly-L mailing list Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From holly at hollylisle.com Wed Oct 22 05:20:24 2003 From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle) Date: Wed Oct 22 05:20:29 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Ack! She found me! In-Reply-To: <00f001c39820$9e102720$6401a8c0@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: Vision ... paragraphs... Must ... do ... paragraphs .... I'll get them. Try for later today. Holly On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 06:13 PM, Zette wrote: > > >> Actually, I have less than 300 pages to go on the 250,000-word >> current work in progress, and I'm doing okay. How about y'all? >> >> Holly > > Hi there, Holly. This is your crazed Vision editor looking for a > couple > paragraph intro for this issue... > > Hey, and with so 'little' left to do, you could join NaNo in November, > right? (grin) > > I'm working on three novel outlines and trying to decide which one > I'll do > for National Novel Writing Month, which is coming perilously close. > (Looks > at list of things to get done before then.) > > I'm doomed. > > Lazette Gifford, http://lazette.net > Site Administrator, Forward Motion for Writers http://fmwriters.com > Managing Editor, Holly Lisle's Vision: A Resource for Writers, > http://lazette.net/vision > Webmaster, SFF.NET's E-STAND http://www.sff.net/estand > SF and Fantasy Acquisitions Editor, Double Dragon Ebooks > http://double-dragon-ebooks.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > From mortecanine at citynet.net Wed Oct 22 13:04:08 2003 From: mortecanine at citynet.net (Benjamin K. Badgley) Date: Wed Oct 22 13:03:39 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <200310220921.h9M9LmCg022741@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <200310220921.h9M9LmCg022741@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <3F96B888.7040705@citynet.net> The sheep runs away. The sheep runs away. Otters have infiltrated the penguin's lair. Do not look to the stair. I'm over putting an idea into an outline. This from the guy who once said "Outline, outline I'll be damned write free!" Found out recently outlines are good, outlines are wise. Got 7,000 words into a story and suddenly I had to kill a character. Put it into an outline the character lives on. Weird I know but thus behold the power of outlines. Now if I can just figure out where I put my glass cutter I'll be fine. Seems Mr. Character needs it to be able to get through a vent. ( Wanders off muttering about the eggs looking purple. ) Ben From holly at hollylisle.com Wed Oct 22 16:41:02 2003 From: holly at hollylisle.com (holly@hollylisle.com) Date: Wed Oct 22 16:41:13 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <3F96B888.7040705@citynet.net> References: <200310220921.h9M9LmCg022741@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <3F96B31E.22064.3C9C7A@localhost> On a secret base on the dark side of the moon, Agent Rick Hadliwell scanned the transmissions the Raptor software had been pulling from the computer. Things had hotted up in the last two days, and he was getting nervous. But he hadn't imagined how much worse their situation could get until he scanned the most recent printouts. He had a problem, and the commander was already edgy. He wasn't going to take bad news well. Hadliwell decided to ease him into it, and hope for the best. "Commander, they just broke the "otter/ penguin" connection." "This the same bunch that hit on the "yellow door" ignition switch and daisies key code?" "Yessir." "Probability of it being a fluke?" ".00000145%, sir, according to my most recent calculations." "Not too damned likely, then." The commander sighed and stared into the cold, starry vastness of space. "So they know we're here, they have the base keycodes, and they've found the spaceship call signals. It couldn't be much worse, could it?" "Well, actually sir ... yessir, it could. Just a bit." "How?" "Well," Hadliwell said, wishing he were dead, "Our last Mini is on its way to 7000 Cutter Street, Glass, Louisiana, right now." The commander's voice rose to a squeak. "Launched?" "About twenty minutes ago." "Is that a real address?" Hadliwell checked the GPS. "Nossir." "So the last of our Minis is going to keep hunting for a place that doesn't exist, and we're going to cause another round of UFO scares, and we're going to end up losing the thing when it short-circuits. A-GAIN." "Looks that way, sir." The commander hit his head on the wall with a slow, mournful rhythm and a sound remniscent of coconuts and tropical breezes. Hadliwell found himself wishing desperately that he was at the beach. Any beach would do. "We have any idea who these people are? Saudis? Germans? Swedes?" Hadliwell swallowed hard. He hated "Ah ... best evidence points to them being ... um ... writers, sir. And, ah ... fans." [to be continued ...] On 22 Oct 2003 at 13:04, Benjamin K. Badgley wrote: > > The sheep runs away. The sheep runs away. Otters have > infiltrated the penguin's lair. Do not look to the stair. > > > I'm over putting an idea into an outline. This from the guy > who once said "Outline, outline I'll be damned write free!" > Found out recently outlines are good, outlines are wise. > Got 7,000 words into a story and suddenly I had to kill a > character. Put it into an outline the character lives on. > Weird I know but thus behold the power of outlines. > > Now if I can just figure out where I put my glass cutter > I'll be fine. Seems Mr. Character needs it to be able to get > through a vent. > > ( Wanders off muttering about the eggs looking purple. ) > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > > From jarrell at vt.edu Wed Oct 22 17:59:05 2003 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Wed Oct 22 18:00:37 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <3F96B31E.22064.3C9C7A@localhost> References: <200310220921.h9M9LmCg022741@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3F96B31E.22064.3C9C7A@localhost> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031022175837.01bc32b8@lennier.cc.vt.edu> At 04:41 PM 10/22/2003, you wrote: >On a secret base on the dark side of the moon [...] Ooo.. The eeeevil things I start :-).. From kv_shaw at direcway.com Thu Oct 23 08:51:58 2003 From: kv_shaw at direcway.com (Karen Blackshaw) Date: Thu Oct 23 08:50:17 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 2 References: <200310220921.h9M9LmCg022741@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3F96B31E.22064.3C9C7A@localhost> <6.0.0.22.2.20031022175837.01bc32b8@lennier.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <001701c39964$841edba0$b819050a@2P4DN21> been done been there its soooooo boring try something else stitcher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Jarrell" To: "Holly Lisle Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Holly-L] Re: Holly-L Digest, Vol 36, Issue 2 > At 04:41 PM 10/22/2003, you wrote: > >On a secret base on the dark side of the moon [...] > > > Ooo.. The eeeevil things I start :-).. > > > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l From smokey at auntlisa.zzn.com Thu Oct 23 14:32:02 2003 From: smokey at auntlisa.zzn.com (Lisa S) Date: Thu Oct 23 12:31:40 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] I'm excited and delighted, I learned to read this newsletter today Message-ID: <76250B8BFD80FAF4B88C01D25A9C7523@smokey.auntlisa.zzn.com> Hello there, I'm new here and not quite as dimwitted as the subject line would indicate. I read this newsletter in digest mode at one of those free e-mail address places that doesn't like HTML. I finally figured out that reading the source code for the message would allow me to participate -- or at least read. Time to go back to writing... Pretending to be Smokey the Cat From rnkjordan at earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 01:44:29 2003 From: rnkjordan at earthlink.net (Robert Jordan) Date: Sun Oct 26 01:49:12 2003 Subject: [Holly-L] (no subject) Message-ID: <002c01c39b84$3ad60a00$ce91b73f@hppav> hi all . I have not be chatting lately because if I have time to chat the I have time to Wright . I'm about 120 pages into my first draft . maybe not much to you all , but pretty good for me . I had the problem of falling asleep when I Wright . so I have started righting , standing up in my kitchen . it may be odd but in a world trying to think outside of the box , I cant find the dam thing . hope this finds you all well !!! The Dread Pirate Robbie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had the problem of > falling asleep when I Wright . ?so I have started righting , standing > up in my kitchen . it may be odd but in a world trying to think > outside of the box , I cant find the dam thing . hope this finds you > all well !!!??? > ? > The Dread Pirate Robbie > _______________________________________________ > Holly-L mailing list > Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l > Holly Lisle ================ persistence triumphs http://hollylisle.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm about 120 pages into my first draft . maybe not much to you all , but pretty good for me . I had the problem of falling asleep when I Wright . so I have started righting , standing up in my kitchen . it may be odd but in a world trying to think outside of the box , I cant find the dam thing . hope this finds you all well !!! The Dread Pirate Robbie _______________________________________________ Holly-L mailing list Holly-L@solaris.cc.vt.edu http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l Holly Lisle ================ persistence triumphs http://hollylisle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/pipermail/holly-l/attachments/20031027/202c846b/attachment-0001.htm