From holly at hollylisle.com  Mon Aug  1 11:16:28 2005
From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:16:28 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] fanning
In-Reply-To: <010e01c59445$9d1e7380$85dd5a42@tos>
Message-ID: <3B953C8D-029F-11DA-94B7-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>

Hi, Becky,


I love horses -- had them when I was a kid. Before that, I just pinned 
a scarf on my shorts and galloped through the house on all fours, 
pretending I was a horse.  My best friend Laura and I must have driven 
my mom nuts.  We drew horses, talked horses, set up jumps in the house 
to gallop over .....

I was a little more sane by the time we both turned eight, but not much.

The things you like about my fantasy are the things I like doing in 
fantasy.  That's pretty encouraging.  If you like horses, by the way, 
TALYN will be right up your alley.  I'm getting back to my fantasy 
roots with that one -- horses play critical plot parts at several 
points in the book, the Tonk are descended from nomadic horse-breeders 
... parts of it are a whole big horse thing.

Nice talking to you, by the way.

Holly

On Friday, July 29, 2005, at 09:57 AM, Becky Huffman wrote:

> The Rose Sea was the first one of yours that I read and I just fell in 
> love with Kara.? I know it's an emotional/identity thing because I'm a 
> horse breeder and trainer - but also because those elements are so 
> often so poorly done and you did them so well - almost anyone can nail 
> the big stuff with a little research, but there are so few that get 
> the nuances right enough with horseman/breeder stuff that it doesn't 
> throw me out of the story.? Also with Fire in the Mist. - not just the 
> horses, but all the animals.? The other thing I especially like is how 
> you manage to make the magic such a natural part of the flow of the 
> story.? I can't define the difference of how you do it,? - maybe 
> something about how accepting the characters are of it.? So many 
> authors try to explain it to the reader but it seems that when it's 
> something that the characters have been living with all their lives, 
> it's hard to do smoothly.?? I've missed some of your more recent stuff 
> - my dad got me addicted to Alex Cross last year - but I read the 
> three chapters of Last Girl Dancing last night - Wow! ... LOL ... It 
> got bumped to the top of the list.? We make a weekly trek to the mall 
> for live crickets for the gecko and the book store is next door to the 
> pet store, so I'll be able to pick it up on Tuesday.? I think if I'd 
> had it in my hands last night I wouldn't have put it down until I hit 
> the back cover.
> ?
> anyway - enough fan-gurling <blush>, hopefully the stammering doesn't 
> come through on the email.!
> ?
> ?
> Becky Huffman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Holly Lisle
> To: Holly Lisle Mailing List
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Holly-L] fanning
>
> Thanks, Becky. That's very kind of you. I'm glad I can help -- and let 
> me know which heroine you like best. <g>
>
> Holly
>
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From mortecanine at citynet.net  Mon Aug  1 11:37:22 2005
From: mortecanine at citynet.net (Dead Dog)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 11:37:22 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] Sparks, Flames & Infernos
Message-ID: <42EE41B2.6060608@citynet.net>


No, our two dogs are fine.

-- 
Dead Dog mortecanine at citynet.net
"Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man, that he
didn't already have."


From rkbush at juno.com  Mon Aug  1 12:06:12 2005
From: rkbush at juno.com (Keely Bush)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:06:12 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] fanning
Message-ID: <20050801.120612.3272.1.rkbush@juno.com>

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:16:28 -0400 Holly Lisle <holly at hollylisle.com>
writes:
> Hi, Becky,
> 
<mini snippage>

> Before that, I just 
> pinned 
> a scarf on my shorts and galloped through the house on all fours, 
> pretending I was a horse.

<SNIP>

Thank the gods by the time I met her she was out of that stage!!!  <G> 
She was drawing a horse the first time I saw her in 7th grade, though. 
Yup... didn't much like her at first.  I had always been the best artist
in the school and here comes this new girl challenging my position. 
Holly persisted, though!  Drug me to lunch with her.  After the first day
we were fast friends!!!  (She never did share her Fritos, though!) 
<snicker>

Keely
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From holly at hollylisle.com  Mon Aug  1 12:41:44 2005
From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:41:44 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] fanning
In-Reply-To: <20050801.120612.3272.1.rkbush@juno.com>
Message-ID: <24D1B7D6-02AB-11DA-94B7-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>

I STILL don't share my Fritos, dammit.  They're mine.  ALL MINE!

Holly

On Monday, August 1, 2005, at 12:06 PM, Keely Bush wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:16:28 -0400 Holly Lisle <holly at hollylisle.com> 
> writes:
> > Hi, Becky,
> >
> <mini snippage>
> ?
> >?Before that, I just
> > pinned
> > a scarf on my shorts and galloped through the house on all fours,
> > pretending I was a horse.
> ?
> <SNIP>
> ?
> Thank the gods by the time I met her she was out of that stage!!!? 
> <G>? She was drawing a horse the first time I saw her in 7th grade, 
> though.? Yup... didn't much like her at first.? I had always been the 
> best artist in the school and here comes this new girl challenging my 
> position.? Holly persisted, though!? Drug me to lunch with her.? After 
> the first day we were fast friends!!!? (She never did share her 
> Fritos, though!)? <snicker>
> ?
> Keely
> _______________________________________________
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> Holly-L at solaris.cc.vt.edu
> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l
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From zette at sff.net  Mon Aug  1 15:58:24 2005
From: zette at sff.net (Zette)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:58:24 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] Waves
In-Reply-To: <3B953C8D-029F-11DA-94B7-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>
Message-ID: <1122926483_9103@S4.cableone.net>

I'm still here.  I'm crazed.
 
Nothing new in my world....
 
Lazette Gifford,  <blocked::http://lazette.netsite/> http://lazette.net
Site Administrator, Forward Motion for Writers
<blocked::http://fmwriters.com/> http://fmwriters.com 
Managing Editor, Vision: A Resource for Writers,
<blocked::http://lazette.net/vision> http://lazette.net/vision 
Webmaster, SFF.NET's E-STAND  <blocked::http://www.sff.net/estand>
http://www.sff.net/estand
Associate Publisher, Dragon Tooth Fantasy
<http://www.double-dragon-ebooks.com/dragontoothfantasy/>
http://www.double-dragon-ebooks.com/dragontoothfantasy/ 
(And, you know... generally crazed person.)
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From ron.jarrell at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 14:59:04 2005
From: ron.jarrell at gmail.com (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:59:04 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] Unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <016e01c5978f$14c7c0c0$3485f53f@Computer>
References: <016e01c5978f$14c7c0c0$3485f53f@Computer>
Message-ID: <161f6d220508021159325715e6@mail.gmail.com>

Well, everyone did get a password - you either picked it, or it was
randomly generated for you.. You should have gotten an email with a
password reminder, and on the web page you would have gone to to
unsubscribe, there's an "email me my password" button.

I *can* do these things, obviously, but sometimes it takes me a bit to
get to them - Holly's list is a hobby, not my business, so I try to
teach people how to fish, as it were, so they don't have to wait.

In this case I have to go adjust some things anyway, so I can delete
you, assuming your email address hasn't changed since you subscribed..

On 8/1/05, Donna Werhan <donnaw at kans.com> wrote:
> Please unsubscribe me.  I've tried dozens of time to do so, but it tells me
> that I need a password to do so, and I never got a password, when I signed
> up for the Holly-L listserv.
> Donna Werhan
> donnaw at kans.com


From mnt2write at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  2 15:40:41 2005
From: mnt2write at yahoo.com (vz)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:40:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Holly-L] Unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <161f6d220508021159325715e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050802194041.4141.qmail@web50210.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you everyone for all the excitement.
Ron, I am having trouble logging in.  Everytime I click on "login" the screen refreshes itself.
I would like to remain an active member.
Thank you for your time.
Valerie

Ron Jarrell <ron.jarrell at gmail.com> wrote:
Well, everyone did get a password - you either picked it, or it was
randomly generated for you.. You should have gotten an email with a
password reminder, and on the web page you would have gone to to
unsubscribe, there's an "email me my password" button.

I *can* do these things, obviously, but sometimes it takes me a bit to
get to them - Holly's list is a hobby, not my business, so I try to
teach people how to fish, as it were, so they don't have to wait.

In this case I have to go adjust some things anyway, so I can delete
you, assuming your email address hasn't changed since you subscribed..

On 8/1/05, Donna Werhan wrote:
> Please unsubscribe me. I've tried dozens of time to do so, but it tells me
> that I need a password to do so, and I never got a password, when I signed
> up for the Holly-L listserv.
> Donna Werhan
> donnaw at kans.com

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From rkbush at juno.com  Wed Aug  3 11:43:35 2005
From: rkbush at juno.com (Keely Bush)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:43:35 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] TALYN
Message-ID: <20050803.115350.1572.2.rkbush@juno.com>

I'm proud of you, Holly!!!

I was able to stop off on my way home from work on Aug. 2nd and pick up
my preordered copy of TALYN at Barnes & Noble.  It has a nice heft to it,
a real pleasure to hold!!!  (Poor Bob got a greasy fingerprint on the
dust jacket and there I was buffing it with my shirt edge until it was
spotless again... and of course, chastising him for touching the book
while he was eating!!!  <G>)

Keely
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From holly at hollylisle.com  Wed Aug  3 12:20:30 2005
From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:20:30 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] TALYN
In-Reply-To: <20050803.115350.1572.2.rkbush@juno.com>
Message-ID: <829EBF0D-043A-11DA-97C0-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>

I'm excited.  It's my first US solo hardcover.  And I also think it's 
the best book I've ever written.

This is making the next Korre novel hell to finish, though.

I really hope you enjoy it.  And say hi to Bob!

Holly

On Wednesday, August 3, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Keely Bush wrote:

>
> I'm proud of you, Holly!!!
> ?
> I was able to stop off on my way home from work on Aug. 2nd and pick 
> up my preordered copy of TALYN at Barnes & Noble.? It has a nice heft 
> to it, a real pleasure to hold!!!? (Poor Bob got a greasy?fingerprint 
> on the dust jacket and there I was buffing it with my shirt edge until 
> it was spotless again... and of course, chastising him for touching 
> the book while he was eating!!!? <G>)
> ?
> Keely
> _______________________________________________
> Holly-L mailing list
> Holly-L at solaris.cc.vt.edu
> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l
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From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Wed Aug  3 12:19:25 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:19:25 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] TALYN
References: <20050803.115350.1572.2.rkbush@juno.com>
Message-ID: <0f0c01c59847$356c09e0$46da5a42@tos>

Hi guys. 

apologies for not replying earlier.  I've been on a rant.  - the kids were brought home from vacation with live sea-pets, I was livid.  We don't have a salt-water aquarium, and watching cute things die isn't one of my favorite mom/sons activities.  (not to mention taking things out of their environment)  It's not as if in these days of cell phones that they couldn't have called and asked.  -anyway, I don't know the first thing about water-stuff, but I'm finding hope that these may be hermit crabs - if so, they should be able to live in fresh water.

anyway - durn small towns.  I've had to order LGD but I should have it by the end of the week.  If TALYN is out in B&N, I can pick it up next weekend before my club meeting.!  Our Waldens closed at the first of the year and we were without a new bookstore until last month.  An individual has reopened to store, but they have very little stock.  

Holly, - I guessed you have, or had, horses.   I did the same thing with the tail and galloping around.  <G>  Anytime you need a fix, I've got a pasture full that need riding.

Becky (an hour south of FW, Tx)


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keely Bush 
  To: holly-l at solaris.cc.vt.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:43 AM
  Subject: [Holly-L] TALYN


  I'm proud of you, Holly!!!

  I was able to stop off on my way home from work on Aug. 2nd and pick up my preordered copy of TALYN at Barnes & Noble.  It has a nice heft to it, a real pleasure to hold!!!  (Poor Bob got a greasy fingerprint on the dust jacket and there I was buffing it with my shirt edge until it was spotless again... and of course, chastising him for touching the book while he was eating!!!  <G>)

  Keely
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From rkbush at juno.com  Wed Aug  3 13:02:20 2005
From: rkbush at juno.com (Keely Bush)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:02:20 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] TALYN
Message-ID: <20050803.130220.3816.3.rkbush@juno.com>

Holly and I raised hermit crabs when we were younger.  Ours were the
store bought, non-submergable variety... all named after Hobbits and
other middle earth inhabitants!  

Here is a site that may help you out, if indeed you do have crabs...
hermits, that is!!!  <G>

http://www.hermit-crabs.com/


On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:19:25 -0500 "Becky Huffman"
<Becky at theoriginalseries.com> writes:
Hi guys. 

apologies for not replying earlier.  I've been on a rant.  - the kids
were brought home from vacation with live sea-pets, I was livid.  We
don't have a salt-water aquarium, and watching cute things die isn't one
of my favorite mom/sons activities.  (not to mention taking things out of
their environment)  It's not as if in these days of cell phones that they
couldn't have called and asked.  -anyway, I don't know the first thing
about water-stuff, but I'm finding hope that these may be hermit crabs -
if so, they should be able to live in fresh water.

anyway - durn small towns.  I've had to order LGD but I should have it by
the end of the week.  If TALYN is out in B&N, I can pick it up next
weekend before my club meeting.!  Our Waldens closed at the first of the
year and we were without a new bookstore until last month.  An individual
has reopened to store, but they have very little stock.  

Holly, - I guessed you have, or had, horses.   I did the same thing with
the tail and galloping around.  <G>  Anytime you need a fix, I've got a
pasture full that need riding.

Becky (an hour south of FW, Tx)
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From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Wed Aug  3 13:19:34 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:19:34 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] TALYN
References: <20050803.130220.3816.3.rkbush@juno.com>
Message-ID: <0ff701c5984f$d02bd8e0$46da5a42@tos>


Keely!!  You are my Hero!! 

LOL about the hobbit names.  We have a donkey named Gandalf the Grey, my stallions are Gwaihir and Glamdring.  .. <sigh> ... one part of my life I never felt the urge to outgrow <G>


Becky 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keely Bush 
  To: holly-l at solaris.cc.vt.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Holly-L] TALYN


  Holly and I raised hermit crabs when we were younger.  Ours were the store bought, non-submergable variety... all named after Hobbits and other middle earth inhabitants!  

  Here is a site that may help you out, if indeed you do have crabs... hermits, that is!!!  <G>

  http://www.hermit-crabs.com/
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From tom3w at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  3 20:53:40 2005
From: tom3w at earthlink.net (Thomas Watson III)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:53:40 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] fanning
Message-ID: <410-2200584405340367@earthlink.net>

Hi folks, Tom's still here.  Last Girl Dancing got ``Wow! ... LOL``, think
I've *got* to remember to look for it
 (if I can stop scratching the poison ivy for a moment).

Has anyone else encountered weight limits on for-hire adult horse rides?
 Tried weight watchers after getting within 8 pounds of a limit at one
place, but merely lost money.
 Oh vvell (sic).

Sounds like Holly is back with big-time thrills for her fans,
who clearly appreciate her efforts. Please keep the books coming, but take
time to get them right.

"Not even a school teacher notices bad grammar in a compliment."
But typos bug me still.  How's the current market for proof readers?

Tom
tom3w at earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~tom3w/amethyst_caryatid__daydreams/
.
There's no place like roam ...
++++++++++++++++++
> [Original Message]
> From: Holly Lisle <holly at hollylisle.com>
> To: Holly Lisle Mailing List <holly-l at solaris.cc.vt.edu>
> Date: 8/1/2005 11:16:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Holly-L] fanning
>
> [snip]
> I love horses -- [snip]
>
> The things you like about my fantasy are the things I like doing in 
> fantasy.  That's pretty encouraging.  If you like horses, by the way, 
> TALYN will be right up your alley.
>  [snip]
>
> Holly
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2005, at 09:57 AM, [snip] wrote:
>
> > [snip] read the 
> > three chapters of Last Girl Dancing last night - Wow! ... LOL ...
> >[snip]
> >




From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Sat Aug  6 09:53:01 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:53:01 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] LGD
References: <410-2200584405340367@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <012601c59a8e$f8cdd640$f6dc5a42@tos>


Agree with the 'Wow' -  ...I picked up LGD yesterday afternoon (and ordered
Talyn) and stayed up waaaay past my bedtime last night to finish it.  Great
job Holly.  - especially loved Hank - a guy that hot, and able to cook...!!!
LOL!!!

I find your foreshadowing and clues to be a good balance - at least for me,
the way my mind works - all the clues are there, but not obvious.  I like
being able to figure it out just one step ahead of the character and you
give me just enough to do that. :)


Becky



From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Sat Aug  6 10:00:22 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:00:22 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] fanning
References: <410-2200584405340367@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <013a01c59a8f$3f5a23c0$f6dc5a42@tos>

Hi Tom, I don't know if your teasing, but I'll answer.

most places do have weight limits in place, but it varies. - usually a
percent of an average horses' weight, I'm guessing 20%.

horses can carry more, but it depends a lot the horse, their size, back
conformation, muscling and fitness. - also depends a lot on the rider, -
fitness and balance matter as much as the weight.   If you hike and spend a
lot of time outdoors anyway, you're already ahead of the game. I expect
you'd have better luck if you'd look for a place to lesson. - esp a dressage
barn is likely to have warmbloods and/or draft crosses that are correctly
muscled across the back.

Becky

----- Original Message ----- >
> Has anyone else encountered weight limits on for-hire adult horse rides?



From tom3w at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  6 10:19:38 2005
From: tom3w at earthlink.net (Thomas Watson III)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:19:38 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] horse_weight
Message-ID: <410-22005866141938982@earthlink.net>

Not a tease.  Place down in Texas that offered trail rides had us weigh in
if we looked near their limit.  20% sounds about right.
Just something I like to do a few times a year for fun.  Had lessons way
back when I could eat 4 times current intake and not gain an ounce.

Hiking alone is not sufficient to reduce weight.  Six times in under 75
minutes up a slope about 400 feet high and 600 yards travelled (down about
900 yds), 3-4 times a week, with a 15 pound pack = barely keeps weight
steady.  Plus the little tidbit that eating less can sometimes trick your
body into _storing_ more .

Tom
tom3w at earthlink.net
.

It's not safe to fool with Mama Nature.

+++++

> [Original Message]
> From: Becky Huffman <Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com>
> To: Holly Lisle Mailing List <holly-l at solaris.cc.vt.edu>
> Date: 8/6/2005 10:03:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Holly-L] fanning
>
> Hi Tom, I don't know if your teasing, but I'll answer.
>
> most places do have weight limits in place, but it varies. - usually a
> percent of an average horses' weight, I'm guessing 20%.
>
> horses can carry more, but it depends a lot the horse, their size, back
> conformation, muscling and fitness. - also depends a lot on the rider, -
> fitness and balance matter as much as the weight.   If you hike and spend
a
> lot of time outdoors anyway, you're already ahead of the game. I expect
> you'd have better luck if you'd look for a place to lesson. - esp a
dressage
> barn is likely to have warmbloods and/or draft crosses that are correctly
> muscled across the back.
>
> Becky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- >
> > Has anyone else encountered weight limits on for-hire adult horse rides?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Holly-L mailing list
> Holly-L at solaris.cc.vt.edu
> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l




From holly at hollylisle.com  Mon Aug  8 09:05:35 2005
From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:05:35 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] LGD
In-Reply-To: <012601c59a8e$f8cdd640$f6dc5a42@tos>
Message-ID: <1C01315A-080D-11DA-8694-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>

The cooking guy is MY guy.  The food is stuff he makes for us, just the 
way he makes it.  He's doing classic Neapolitan pizza right now -- 
dough from scratch, fresh homemade sauce, fresh moz, baked on quarry 
tiles in the oven.  It's awesome.

Delighted the story worked for you.  I love doing plotty stuff, and 
misdirecting.  Keeping people up past bedtime?  Also a favorite thing 
to do. :D

Thanks for letting me know you liked it.

Holly

On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 09:53 AM, Becky Huffman wrote:

>
> Agree with the 'Wow' -  ...I picked up LGD yesterday afternoon (and 
> ordered
> Talyn) and stayed up waaaay past my bedtime last night to finish it.  
> Great
> job Holly.  - especially loved Hank - a guy that hot, and able to 
> cook...!!!
> LOL!!!
>
> I find your foreshadowing and clues to be a good balance - at least 
> for me,
> the way my mind works - all the clues are there, but not obvious.  I 
> like
> being able to figure it out just one step ahead of the character and 
> you
> give me just enough to do that. :)
>
>
> Becky
>
>
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From kathy at napolitano.com  Tue Aug  9 21:08:19 2005
From: kathy at napolitano.com (Kathy Napolitano)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:08:19 -0700
Subject: [Holly-L] LGD
In-Reply-To: <1C01315A-080D-11DA-8694-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBIFEEILFNODBCGAMEEEIMDFAA.kathy@napolitano.com>



 "Keeping people up past bedtime?  Also a favorite thing
to do. :D"

I noticed, My husband hates it when a new one comes out I'm "gone" for about
24 hours, then there is the recovery time LOL!

Kathy


From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Mon Aug 15 13:49:51 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:49:51 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] horse_weight
References: <410-22005866141938982@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <01c701c5a1c1$e8526080$76d25a42@tos>

oops - sorry.  I didn't mean that hiking would necessarily bring weight
loss, but that does say something about your level of fitness, that you have
some muscle mass and coordination.  If you've ridden a bit in the past,
you'll remember that can be as key as the weight.

<v.heavy sigh> about eating 4xs the current intake.   I remember a time I
used to pack down two cheeseburgers and a biggie fries for lunch. - now that
much would last me a week.


Becky


----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Watson III <tom3w at earthlink.net>
To: Holly Lisle Mailing List <holly-l at solaris.cc.vt.edu>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Holly-L] horse_weight


> Not a tease.  Place down in Texas that offered trail rides had us weigh in
> if we looked near their limit.  20% sounds about right.
> Just something I like to do a few times a year for fun.  Had lessons way
> back when I could eat 4 times current intake and not gain an ounce.
>
> Hiking alone is not sufficient to reduce weight.  Six times in under 75
> minutes up a slope about 400 feet high and 600 yards travelled (down about
> 900 yds), 3-4 times a week, with a 15 pound pack = barely keeps weight
> steady.  Plus the little tidbit that eating less can sometimes trick your
> body into _storing_ more .
>
> Tom
> tom3w at earthlink.net
> .
>
> It's not safe to fool with Mama Nature.
>
> +++++
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Becky Huffman <Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com>
> > To: Holly Lisle Mailing List <holly-l at solaris.cc.vt.edu>
> > Date: 8/6/2005 10:03:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Holly-L] fanning
> >
> > Hi Tom, I don't know if your teasing, but I'll answer.
> >
> > most places do have weight limits in place, but it varies. - usually a
> > percent of an average horses' weight, I'm guessing 20%.
> >
> > horses can carry more, but it depends a lot the horse, their size, back
> > conformation, muscling and fitness. - also depends a lot on the rider, -
> > fitness and balance matter as much as the weight.   If you hike and
spend
> a
> > lot of time outdoors anyway, you're already ahead of the game. I expect
> > you'd have better luck if you'd look for a place to lesson. - esp a
> dressage
> > barn is likely to have warmbloods and/or draft crosses that are
correctly
> > muscled across the back.
> >
> > Becky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- >
> > > Has anyone else encountered weight limits on for-hire adult horse
rides?
> >
> >
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From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Mon Aug 15 13:54:57 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:54:57 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] LGD
References: <1C01315A-080D-11DA-8694-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>
Message-ID: <01d201c5a1c2$7d8ac160$76d25a42@tos>

LOL!  my guy made the mistake of cooking for me when we were dating. <G>
,....  he didn't know (then) that I *don't* cook. ....  I can do the usual
stuff, or follow directions on the back of the box, but that's about it.

I love your blog entry for today - about (not) writing to the reader, it
really hit home.  I hope it's ok to comment here.  (I had a weird and
extremely unpleasant Live journal experience last year and I'm still a
little shaky.)

Becky



----- Original Message -----
From: Holly Lisle <holly at hollylisle.com>
To: Holly Lisle Mailing List <holly-l at solaris.cc.vt.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Holly-L] LGD


> The cooking guy is MY guy.  The food is stuff he makes for us, just the
> way he makes it.  He's doing classic Neapolitan pizza right now --
> dough from scratch, fresh homemade sauce, fresh moz, baked on quarry
> tiles in the oven.  It's awesome.
>
> Delighted the story worked for you.  I love doing plotty stuff, and
> misdirecting.  Keeping people up past bedtime?  Also a favorite thing
> to do. :D



From holly at hollylisle.com  Tue Aug 16 09:03:32 2005
From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:03:32 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] LGD
In-Reply-To: <01d201c5a1c2$7d8ac160$76d25a42@tos>
Message-ID: <258731F0-0E56-11DA-833B-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>

Hi.  Fine to comment here, Becky.  I was gone yesterday because it was 
Matt's birthday.  Took off and made pancakes and a cake, and things of 
that nature.

Cooking.  He cooks.  I appreciate.

As for the weblog entry -- well, there is this part of every writer, I 
think, that whispers "You SHOULD be able to write something everyone 
would like."  But the truth is, no matter how we wish otherwise, we 
limit our readership by the very fact of being who we are.  The more we 
put ourselves in our work, the more we can say truly, but the more we 
restrict the makeup of audience who will be willing to read our work.  
One of those frustrating conundrums.

Holly


On Monday, August 15, 2005, at 01:54 PM, Becky Huffman wrote:

> LOL!  my guy made the mistake of cooking for me when we were dating. 
> <G>
> ,....  he didn't know (then) that I *don't* cook. ....  I can do the 
> usual
> stuff, or follow directions on the back of the box, but that's about 
> it.
>
> I love your blog entry for today - about (not) writing to the reader, 
> it
> really hit home.  I hope it's ok to comment here.  (I had a weird and
> extremely unpleasant Live journal experience last year and I'm still a
> little shaky.)
>
> Becky
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Holly Lisle <holly at hollylisle.com>
> To: Holly Lisle Mailing List <holly-l at solaris.cc.vt.edu>
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Holly-L] LGD
>
>
>> The cooking guy is MY guy.  The food is stuff he makes for us, just 
>> the
>> way he makes it.  He's doing classic Neapolitan pizza right now --
>> dough from scratch, fresh homemade sauce, fresh moz, baked on quarry
>> tiles in the oven.  It's awesome.
>>
>> Delighted the story worked for you.  I love doing plotty stuff, and
>> misdirecting.  Keeping people up past bedtime?  Also a favorite thing
>> to do. :D
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Holly-L at solaris.cc.vt.edu
> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l
>
>


From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Sun Aug 28 11:43:36 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:43:36 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>
References: <NFBBIFEEILFNODBCGAMEEEIMDFAA.kathy@napolitano.com>
Message-ID: <00f501c5abe7$4e965fc0$e3da5a42@tos>

I don't know if it's ok to pout here, but I received a lovely long personal
rejection letter yesterday from the guy whose not going to be my agent, full
of specific praise for my characters and world-building.  He said that if I
decided to restructure the novel so that a  minor antag was the main
character, he'd love to see it again.  <v.heavy sigh>

so that's my third reject, and it wasn't another form letter, ... so I have,
what,(?) about 97 more to go?

 - back to work -

Becky



From kathy at napolitano.com  Sun Aug 28 13:58:55 2005
From: kathy at napolitano.com (Kathy Napolitano)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:58:55 -0700
Subject: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>
In-Reply-To: <00f501c5abe7$4e965fc0$e3da5a42@tos>
Message-ID: <NFBBIFEEILFNODBCGAMEEELFDFAA.kathy@napolitano.com>

HUGS! of course it's OK to pout here. Hey He was interested in YOUR writing
and even excited about one of your characters! And A BIG yeah on at least it
wasn't a form letter. Keep on going you will get there!

Kathy

-----Original Message-----
From: holly-l-bounces+kathy=napolitano.com at solaris.cc.vt.edu
[mailto:holly-l-bounces+kathy=napolitano.com at solaris.cc.vt.edu]On Behalf
Of Becky Huffman
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:44 AM
To: Holly Lisle Mailing List
Subject: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>


I don't know if it's ok to pout here, but I received a lovely long personal
rejection letter yesterday from the guy whose not going to be my agent, full
of specific praise for my characters and world-building.  He said that if I
decided to restructure the novel so that a  minor antag was the main
character, he'd love to see it again.  <v.heavy sigh>

so that's my third reject, and it wasn't another form letter, ... so I have,
what,(?) about 97 more to go?

 - back to work -

Becky


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From holly at hollylisle.com  Mon Aug 29 06:40:22 2005
From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 06:40:22 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>
In-Reply-To: <00f501c5abe7$4e965fc0$e3da5a42@tos>
Message-ID: <4CF6F3E4-1879-11DA-B87C-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>

Becky,

You could cut it down to no more rejections if you restructured the 
book to his recommendation.  If you're close enough that you have an 
agent who's willing to look at it again with changes, (and this is a 
reputable agent -- gotta include that caveat), then you're damned close.

If it were me, I'd be all over those changes.

Holly

On Sunday, August 28, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Becky Huffman wrote:

> I don't know if it's ok to pout here, but I received a lovely long 
> personal
> rejection letter yesterday from the guy whose not going to be my 
> agent, full
> of specific praise for my characters and world-building.  He said that 
> if I
> decided to restructure the novel so that a  minor antag was the main
> character, he'd love to see it again.  <v.heavy sigh>
>
> so that's my third reject, and it wasn't another form letter, ... so I 
> have,
> what,(?) about 97 more to go?
>
>  - back to work -
>
> Becky
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/holly-l
>
>


From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Mon Aug 29 08:42:15 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:42:15 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>
References: <NFBBIFEEILFNODBCGAMEEELFDFAA.kathy@napolitano.com>
Message-ID: <005401c5ac97$5d6b9d20$dada5a42@tos>

Thanks Kathy :)


Becky 

----- Original Message -----
From: Kathy Napolitano <

> HUGS! of course it's OK to pout here. Hey He was interested in YOUR
writing
> and even excited about one of your characters! And A BIG yeah on at least
it



From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Mon Aug 29 09:30:55 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:30:55 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>
References: <4CF6F3E4-1879-11DA-B87C-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>
Message-ID: <007001c5ac9e$0874a6c0$dada5a42@tos>

----- Original Message ----- >
> If it were me, I'd be all over those changes.
>
> Holly
>

(yes, this is an established agency)  ... Believe me, I've done almost
nothing but agonize over it.  I'm afraid it will haunt me whichever way I
go, but what he's asking for is a different story than what I wrote.  It
seems like I remember you asking people not to talk specifics about their
novels - so I won't go into any detail, but what he's asking would mean
trashing about 70% of the novel and changing from a female protag to a male
anti-hero, completely changing the focus and rebuilding a different plot
around the basic idea.  - to tell the truth, it just doesn't completely make
sense but in his defense, he's only seen the first few chapters and it
likely doesn't seem like such major changes from that point.

Bless my dad, he immediately suggested doing a 'find and replace' to switch
the names <G>.  But I do have some outlines and rough ideas for the kind of
thing this agent seems to be asking for and I've put some other stuff aside
to dust those off and see what I can do with them.    It makes more sense to
me, since he's asking for a different story, to write that one, then I'd
have two, instead of trashing one to write the other .

My first (coherent) thought Holly, is exactly what you said, - to make the
changes - and I have a sinking feeling that I may be losing my best chance,
but I also know that at some point, I have to stand up for what I've written
and the story I want to tell and he's asking for too much with no
guarantees...   I'm so green at this, I know  I don't know the business well
enough, I can only take his letter at face value and move forward.

apologies for this getting so long. .. probably due to that second cup of
coffee.

Becky




From holly at hollylisle.com  Mon Aug 29 10:32:08 2005
From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:32:08 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>
In-Reply-To: <007001c5ac9e$0874a6c0$dada5a42@tos>
Message-ID: <ADE539D4-1899-11DA-B87C-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>

Wow.  Okay.  That's huge.  If you have to change or kill the thing that 
makes it the story you loved, then don't do that.  I've only had one 
editor ask me to do that with one proposal; I pulled the proposal even 
though we needed the money, and kept pitching other things.

Doing a second book based around his idea might not be a bad idea, if 
you at all like the direction he suggested.

Holly

On Monday, August 29, 2005, at 09:30 AM, Becky Huffman wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- >
>> If it were me, I'd be all over those changes.
>>
>> Holly
>>
>
> (yes, this is an established agency)  ... Believe me, I've done almost
> nothing but agonize over it.  I'm afraid it will haunt me whichever 
> way I
> go, but what he's asking for is a different story than what I wrote.  
> It
> seems like I remember you asking people not to talk specifics about 
> their
> novels - so I won't go into any detail, but what he's asking would mean
> trashing about 70% of the novel and changing from a female protag to a 
> male
> anti-hero, completely changing the focus and rebuilding a different 
> plot
> around the basic idea.  - to tell the truth, it just doesn't 
> completely make
> sense but in his defense, he's only seen the first few chapters and it
> likely doesn't seem like such major changes from that point.
>
> Bless my dad, he immediately suggested doing a 'find and replace' to 
> switch
> the names <G>.  But I do have some outlines and rough ideas for the 
> kind of
> thing this agent seems to be asking for and I've put some other stuff 
> aside
> to dust those off and see what I can do with them.    It makes more 
> sense to
> me, since he's asking for a different story, to write that one, then 
> I'd
> have two, instead of trashing one to write the other .
>
> My first (coherent) thought Holly, is exactly what you said, - to make 
> the
> changes - and I have a sinking feeling that I may be losing my best 
> chance,
> but I also know that at some point, I have to stand up for what I've 
> written
> and the story I want to tell and he's asking for too much with no
> guarantees...   I'm so green at this, I know  I don't know the 
> business well
> enough, I can only take his letter at face value and move forward.
>
> apologies for this getting so long. .. probably due to that second cup 
> of
> coffee.
>
> Becky
>
>
>
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From mnt2write at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 29 10:57:26 2005
From: mnt2write at yahoo.com (vz)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:57:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Holly-L] thank you all
In-Reply-To: <ADE539D4-1899-11DA-B87C-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>
Message-ID: <20050829145726.1292.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com>


i am thanking everyone for sharing the daily forces of a writing life.  i look forward everyday to the ongoing knowledge and learning experiences of authors.  it gives me courage to continue my personal quest to publish someday.  

- valerie



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From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Mon Aug 29 17:03:28 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:03:28 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] thank you all
References: <20050829145726.1292.qmail@web50205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <03cb01c5acdd$38462c40$dada5a42@tos>


it takes an awful lot of courage, I'm finding that out.


Becky 



  ----- Original Message ----- 

    i am thanking everyone for sharing the daily forces of a writing life.  i look forward everyday to the ongoing knowledge and learning experiences of authors.  it gives me courage to continue my personal quest to publish someday.  

    - valerie

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From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Mon Aug 29 17:07:00 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:07:00 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>
References: <ADE539D4-1899-11DA-B87C-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>
Message-ID: <03d101c5acdd$a24f8f00$dada5a42@tos>

----- Original Message ----- >
> Doing a second book based around his idea might not be a bad idea, if
> you at all like the direction he suggested.
>
> Holly


I've heard that a new author never sells their first book until after they
make a name for themselves with the 2nd or 3rd or 5th book, so I'm just
going to take this as a sign that I'm well on my way - ;)


Becky





From themysteriousg at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 29 22:35:44 2005
From: themysteriousg at yahoo.com (g h)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:35:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Holly-L] Hulllllo!
Message-ID: <20050830023544.86108.qmail@web81505.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi there,
 
Well imagine my delight when all of these emails started popping up in my inbox.  Yay.  The Holly people are back.  Just in time for new books and everything. 
 
Alas, I had a friend in town so I didn't have time to sit down and reply.  And then, oh the horror!, my laptop died.  Which wouldn't be so bad except my evil work sys-admins block all access to web mail.  This means no access to MY email for weeks.  The upside is I've had plenty of time to do some serious reading.  
 
Last Girl Dancing was cranked through in an evening.  I really liked it but somehow managed to guess the bad guy pretty early on.  So I was mad, mad, mad when our Heroine went off with said bad guy.  How could she miss it?!??  But it was a great read none the less.  I only wish I still had contact with some of my bookstore girls to share it with.  I did pass it on to a couple of friends.
 
Talyn was phenomenal.  No other word for it.  I really, really liked it and I want more.  I actually dropped a review onto the LiveJournal community that I belonged to today.  It was a bit stream of concsiousness review.  What occured to me was that much like Robin McKinley, the thing I like about this book and all of your books is the way your worlds are fully formed.  Even though I am only reading a part of the story, I believe, that there is a fully formed world with a history and perspectives and connections.  I think it is because you give enough information to make me comfortable but leave enough out to let my imagination make it more real.  Ah, I still don't think I'm explaining this quite right.  But well, it works.  I compared your worlds to Damar.  I hope that that is taken for the full complement that it is..The fact that you've done it with more than world and more than one type of world makes it all the better.
 
Whew.  I am wordy today.  See what happens when you give a girl her computer back.  
 
Other than that.  Well.  I moved to California.  Far, far away.  I'm still homesick for good old NC but we are doing allright.  Here's hoping that everyone is doing well out there. 
 
Glad to hear from you all again.  I won't be quite so long winded next time, I promise.
 
 
Cheers,
Gretchen (aka Greten Katsa Woehr--I still take great pride in having a character out there)
 


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From rkbush at juno.com  Tue Aug 30 09:22:43 2005
From: rkbush at juno.com (Keely Bush)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:22:43 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] Hulllllo!
Message-ID: <20050830.092243.2644.3.rkbush@juno.com>

Just a reminder... do not give away critical information about how a book
ends without writing SPOILER in the subject line of the message.  Now
there will be no mystery for me once I do get to LGD.  Well... since my
memory is so bad, by the time I get Bob back on his feet and have a free
couple of days to actually read, I hopefully will have forgotten!!!  <g>

Keely
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From holly at hollylisle.com  Tue Aug 30 09:48:37 2005
From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:48:37 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>
In-Reply-To: <03d101c5acdd$a24f8f00$dada5a42@tos>
Message-ID: <C3C130CC-195C-11DA-B87C-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>

Well, I never did sell my first one.  It was a romance novel titled 
HEARTS IN STITCHES.  My second one, on the other hand, sold the first 
time out to the first place I sent it.  That was FIRE IN THE MIST.

Persistence.  It's all about persistence.

Holly

On Monday, August 29, 2005, at 05:07 PM, Becky Huffman wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- >
>> Doing a second book based around his idea might not be a bad idea, if
>> you at all like the direction he suggested.
>>
>> Holly
>
>
> I've heard that a new author never sells their first book until after 
> they
> make a name for themselves with the 2nd or 3rd or 5th book, so I'm just
> going to take this as a sign that I'm well on my way - ;)
>
>
> Becky
>
>
>
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From holly at hollylisle.com  Tue Aug 30 09:53:29 2005
From: holly at hollylisle.com (Holly Lisle)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:53:29 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] Hulllllo!
In-Reply-To: <20050830023544.86108.qmail@web81505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <71FABD6B-195D-11DA-B87C-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>

Hi, Gretchen,

Wonderful to see you back!

I'm delighted that you liked TALYN.  And thank you so much for the kind 
words.  It is -- from my perspective, anyway -- the best thing I've 
ever done.  Which has left me intimidated about finishing the follow-up 
(HAWKSPAR).  I have the first draft of that done, and have for quite 
some time, but I'm finally getting up the nerve to do the revisions.

Sorry you're so far from home.  That's a hard thing to adjust to.   But 
you always have a home here. :D

Holly

On Monday, August 29, 2005, at 10:35 PM, g h wrote:

> Hi there,
> ?
> Well imagine my delight when all of these emails started popping up in 
> my inbox.? Yay.? The Holly people are back.? Just in time for new 
> books and everything.?
> ?
> Alas, I had a friend in town so I didn't have time to sit down and 
> reply.? And then, oh the horror!, my laptop died.? Which wouldn't be 
> so bad except my evil work sys-admins block all access to web mail.? 
> This means no access to MY email for weeks.? The upside is I've had 
> plenty of time to do some serious reading.?
> ?
> Last Girl Dancing was cranked through in an evening.? I really liked 
> it but somehow managed to guess the bad guy pretty early on.? So I was 
> mad, mad, mad when our Heroine went off with said bad guy.? How could 
> she miss it?!??? But it was a great read none the less.? I only wish I 
> still had contact with some of my bookstore girls to share it with.? I 
> did pass it on to a couple of friends.
> ?
> Talyn was phenomenal.? No other word for it.? I really, really liked 
> it and I want more.? I actually dropped a review onto the LiveJournal 
> community that I belonged to today.? It was a bit stream of 
> concsiousness review.? What occured to me was that much like Robin 
> McKinley, the thing I like about this book and all of your books is 
> the way your worlds are fully formed.? Even though I am only reading a 
> part of the story, I believe, that there is a fully formed world with 
> a history and perspectives and connections.? I think it is because you 
> give enough information to make me comfortable but leave enough out to 
> let my imagination make it more real.? Ah, I still don't think I'm 
> explaining this quite right.? But well, it works.? I compared your 
> worlds to Damar.? I hope that that is taken for the full complement 
> that it is..The fact that you've done it with more than world and more 
> than one type of world makes it all the better.
> ?
> Whew.? I am wordy today.? See what happens when you give a girl her 
> computer back.?
> ?
> Other than that.? Well.? I moved to California.? Far, far away.? I'm 
> still homesick for good old NC but we are doing allright.? Here's 
> hoping that everyone is doing well out there.
> ?
> Glad to hear from you all again.? I won't be quite so long winded next 
> time, I promise.
> ?
> ?
> Cheers,
> Gretchen (aka Greten Katsa Woehr--I still take great pride in having a 
> character out there)
> ?
>
>
> Gretchen Holtman (runner & fundraiser)
> Don't you wanna help?? Click below to make a difference
> http://www.active.com/donations/fundraise_public.cfm?key=tntgsfGHoltma
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From mortecanine at citynet.net  Tue Aug 30 10:34:10 2005
From: mortecanine at citynet.net (Dead Dog)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:34:10 -0400
Subject: [Holly-L] Persistence
Message-ID: <43146E62.4030103@citynet.net>


"Persistence.  It's all about persistence."

"You said it, amen."

At the halfway point of a novel draft, I agree. Thanks
Holly. Back to work I go, despite the lovely rains.  I
may enjoy them more, from a beautiful cabin retreat one
day, after establishing a career. That's my 'candy
bar'. Persist and achieve, it's all you need to
believe. Everyone have a great day! :)

-- 
Dead Dog mortecanine at citynet.net
http://deaddogden.blogspot.com/



From MHaley at its.ucsf.edu  Tue Aug 30 10:35:01 2005
From: MHaley at its.ucsf.edu (Haley, Michael)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:35:01 -0700
Subject: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>
Message-ID: <463BBE052EFDA34AA292993C1917EC1FCDDD28@EXVS06.net.ucsf.edu>

Fire in the Mist:  was the first Holly book I read, had no idea about
you ... been reading your books ever since. (Must confess you had
several out by that time ... made it easier to get going ...)

mh

-----Original Message-----
From: holly-l-bounces at solaris.cc.vt.edu
[mailto:holly-l-bounces at solaris.cc.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Holly Lisle
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:49 AM
To: Holly Lisle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>

Well, I never did sell my first one.  It was a romance novel titled 
HEARTS IN STITCHES.  My second one, on the other hand, sold the first 
time out to the first place I sent it.  That was FIRE IN THE MIST.

Persistence.  It's all about persistence.

Holly

On Monday, August 29, 2005, at 05:07 PM, Becky Huffman wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- >
>> Doing a second book based around his idea might not be a bad idea, if
>> you at all like the direction he suggested.
>>
>> Holly
>
>
> I've heard that a new author never sells their first book until after 
> they
> make a name for themselves with the 2nd or 3rd or 5th book, so I'm
just
> going to take this as a sign that I'm well on my way - ;)
>
>
> Becky
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Holly-L at solaris.cc.vt.edu
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From themysteriousg at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 30 10:43:14 2005
From: themysteriousg at yahoo.com (g h)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:43:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Holly-L] Hulllllo!
In-Reply-To: <20050830.092243.2644.3.rkbush@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20050830144314.21916.qmail@web81509.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm sorry, I really don't think you'll figure it out from what I said.  Our Heroine is alone/goes off with any number of potential bad guys through the book.  
 
But I absolutley will be careful in the future!
 
Gretchen

Keely Bush <rkbush at juno.com> wrote:
Just a reminder... do not give away critical information about how a book ends without writing SPOILER in the subject line of the message.  Now there will be no mystery for me once I do get to LGD.  Well... since my memory is so bad, by the time I get Bob back on his feet and have a free couple of days to actually read, I hopefully will have forgotten!!!  <g>
 
Keely
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From iglejago at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 30 11:23:23 2005
From: iglejago at yahoo.com (Kimberly Jago)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:23:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Holly-L] Unsubscribe...
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From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Tue Aug 30 23:47:44 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:47:44 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] <pout and whine>
References: <C3C130CC-195C-11DA-B87C-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c5adde$fb37a4c0$c7db5a42@tos>

Thank you Holly.  I'll take that to heart and keep writing.

Becky 


----- Original Message ----- 

> Well, I never did sell my first one.  It was a romance novel titled 
> HEARTS IN STITCHES.  My second one, on the other hand, sold the first 
> time out to the first place I sent it.  That was FIRE IN THE MIST.
> 
> Persistence.  It's all about persistence.
> 
> Holly
> 


From Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com  Tue Aug 30 23:49:19 2005
From: Becky at TheOriginalSeries.com (Becky Huffman)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:49:19 -0500
Subject: [Holly-L] Hulllllo!
References: <71FABD6B-195D-11DA-B87C-000393A54C96@hollylisle.com>
Message-ID: <00e301c5adde$fc211a60$c7db5a42@tos>

<waves "hello" to Gretchen>

Becky 


  ----- Original Message ----- On Monday, August 29, , g h wrote:   Hi there,
   
  Well imagine my delight when all of these emails started popping up in my inbox.  Yay.  The Holly people are back.  Just in time for new books and everything. 
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